Wizcrafts

You are a fine wood worker! The tables are beautiful, as are the floor runners. Restoring old iron gets into your blood. I have an old 1916 Singer 66-1 and a 1953 15-91. Both sew like they are brand new. They are best used for sewing cloth. They don't feed well with leather or Naugahyde. I did buy a "walking foot" even feed attachment for the 15-91 and that allowed it to feed vinyl. It doesn't take too much work to restore the action and set the timing. These machines are so simple to work on. Best to you in your new hobby! When you are ready to sew real leather, don't waste your time trying to force an old Singer to do something it wasn't designed for. Just get the right machine and be done with it.

I don't see any replies from Barra, so I am guessing you meant to thank me: Wizcrafts. Ask them if 135x8NW, or 134LR will fit your machine. They have narrow wedge points. I see them on AllBrands and are made by Organ Needles. I can get you a link if you can't get them elsewhere. I don't recommend re-timing the machine for the wrong needle! You are asking for trouble if you get it wrong. You don't absolutely have to use leather point needles to sew garment leather. It is recommended, but not set in stone. Just make sure that any needle you use is sharp and has no burrs on the point. Your machine does have reverse: poor man's reverse. Stop the machine with the needle down, lift the pressor foot with the knee lever, spin the work around 180 degrees, then sew back three stitches. Instant reverse!

You have bought a high speed, light duty, garment sewing machine, from the late 1940's, or early 1950's. System 1128 is the standard needle for Singer garment and tailoring machines. You will want to get #18 leather point to sew leather with #69 nylon thread. Otherwise, use the ball point for vinyl and cloth. The largest needle available in system 1128 is #21. That would be suitable for sewing with #92 thread. I don't know if a Singer 241 can handle #92 thread, top and bottom. It doesn't have much pressor foot lift and can only sew about 3/16" of soft material. Most needle sellers stock Organ, Groz Beckert or Schmetz brands. If you can find Singer needles, thay may be new old stock. Schmetz are highly regarded in the needle trade. If you are going to sew garment leather, or vinyl with that machine, convert it into a roller foot machine. Also, do yourself a big favor and change the motor pulley to a 2" size, with a correspondingly shorter 3L V-belt. And keep 1 1/2 pints of light weight Lily sewing machine oil in the oil pan! Note: Garment machines that use system 1128 needles have a shorter vertical stroke than walking foot machines. There is a considerable difference in length to the eye, and in width at the top. Hence, the lower pressor foot clearance on these machines. Don't try to sew dense veg-tan leather belts on that machine. The maximum stitch length is only 7 to the inch.

The Singer 191D is a textile sewing machine, with a self-oiling system (sits in an oil pan full of machine oil). It is designed for motor/pulley setups turning it at 4500 rpm maximum. The flat pressor foot can be lifted almost 13 mm, with the knee lever, but only 6 mm with the hand lift lever. The needle system (135x7) is geared for garment sewing thread and has the same specs as the 134R used in Pfaff garment machines. I passed on one of these machines at a drapery shop and they were only asking for $125.00. It would have been useless for sewing leather or drapes over 1/4" thick, with thread larger than #92. I'm sure the pressor foot can be tricked to lift higher, but runs the risk of hitting the bottom of the needle bar if raised too high. The bobbin is small and the tension parts are too weak for heavy nylon thread (T90/V92 maximum). Eight hundred is much too high for a Singer 191D. It is probably half a century by now. If you can negotiate the price down and do purchase this machine and intend to sew leather with it, you will need to make the following changes. Get the smallest motor pulley you can find, for the shaft diameter on the motor. A 2"/50mm motor pulley is a good speed reducer. Get a matching smaller 3L v-belt to maintain the same distance on the motor position adjuster screw. Get 1" shorter for each inch smaller pulley size. Alternately, buy a servo motor with built in gear reduction and a 2" pulley (and shorter belt), like the SewPro 500GR, sold by Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines. It can replace a standard clutch motor. Purchase a 3 piece roller foot conversion kit and install it. This allows the machine to feed leather and vinyl without dragging the layers apart, or puckering the top layer. These machines do not feed sticky material properly unless converted to a roller foot system. Purchase leather point needles (134LR, or 135x8) appropriate for the thread size to be used (e.g. #110/18 needle for #69 thread. #125/20 needle for #92 thread). Purchase good quality bonded nylon thread; size 69 (recommended) or 92 (max), in pairs, for each color you want to use.

Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines, in Toledo, Ohio, USA, has parts for Singer patchers. Their phone number is 866-362-7397

I didn't know that. This is discouraging. Are there any portable walking foot machines that have a decent casing and sturdy rods, cranks and bearings?

Donna; I haven't seen a Consew 206RP yet, but looking at photos of it, it looks like the same casing and design as the garbage Rex machine I bought. If you can go to the place where they are sold and see one in operation, then take it home in the back padded seat of your car, you'll probably make out okay. If you buy it and have it shipped by UPS, parts may be broken by the time it arrives, even though there aren't holes in the box. The shock of the packed box being dropped on the front or back is all it takes. I suspect that somebody here who owns or owned a Consew 206RP will chime in. By contrast, Sailrite builds a sturdy portable walking foot machine. The Power Plus or Monster Wheel gives it a positive drive pin, plus multiplies the torque tremendously. The eBay portables are only driven by friction from the knob on the back of the wheel. The one I got wouldn't even turn the mechanism when it arrived. The wheel just spun while the rest of the parts stayed motionless. If you intend to use a portable walking foot machine to make money on the road, buy a Sailrite. The cheaper machines aren't built to take the shock of being moved around a lot.

A Sailrite portable walking foot machine, with a Power Plus wheel, will do the work you intend to sew. Avoid the portable walking foot machines sold on eBay. They are worse then junk. They are pathetic. I bought one and had to send it back because it got jammed durning shipping and couldn't be un-jammed without completely tearing it down and rebuilding it. I lost money shipping it back. The castings are horrible, the shafts bend, the mating surfaces are not smooth. Pure garbage (Rex, Alphasew, etc).

That is not the correct email address for Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines. It is sewmun AT aol DOT com

I started sewing on industrial machines that had clutch motors and can feather the clutch to get very slow speeds. It is a technique that does require a steady leg and foot. Some can, some can't. But, one thing you can't change is the amount of electricity those 1/2 horsepower motors suck up, even when they are idling. A typical 1/2 hp 1725 rpm clutch motor draws between 300 and 400 watts per hour, without a load. They generate a lot of heat, which is blown around the room by the veins in the internal fan. Begin sewing and the wattage can increase to 500 or more watts per hour. A servo motor only draws power when you are actively sewing. The SewPro motor I bought from Bob Kovar, at Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines has built-in gear reduction and a 2" pulley. It draws only 300 watts maximum, under full load, and I can't feel any heat coming out of it. I find this to be a cost saving (in kw hours) and heat reducing improvement from the original 1/2 hp clutch motor that was on the walking foot machine when I bought it. I agree that almost anybody can be taught to feather a clutch, but some older crafters have involuntary muscle spasm or leg control problems, or reduced reflexes, and cannot control a clutch motor at all. A servo motor is a job-enabler for them. They can set the maximum speed to a setting they can live with, then use the entire pedal range to achieve slower speeds, that are easy to control.

I found this information about these machines: Consew 277: 2300 Stitches Per Minute Presser Foot Lift by Hand: 5/16" Presser Foot Lift by Foot: 1/2" Needle Bar Stroke:1-5/16" Narrow cylinder arm - 46mm diameter (Models 277R-2 & 277RFS-2) Horizontal axis rotary hook Compound feed, walking foot mechanism assures even feeding of several piles or of slippery materials Centra-Lube® semi-automatic lubrication system Simple wing nut adjustment permits raising and lowering of the center foot to allow for sewing different thicknesses of material Simple adjustment permits the raising and lower of the center foot which allows for sewing of different thickness of material For sewing light to heavy-weight fabrics, leather, vinyl, upholstery, synthetics, canvas and various laminated and coated materials. Especially designed for products with narrow openings. Designed for stitching tubular and curved work. Suitable for sewing such products as caps, cushions, boots, shoes, auto, boat and furniture upholstery, tarpaulins, covers, sails, tents, awnings, umbrellas, tops, bags, luggage, handbags, travelware, accessories, sports and camping equipment, wearing apparel, orthopedic appliances, slippers, etc. Consew 287: Clearance Under Foot: 11/32" Needle Bar Stroke:1-5/16" Bed Size:2 9/16" x 10 9/16" Safety Clutch Walking Foot CentraLube Semi Automatic Lubrication System Vertical Axis Rotary Hook Compound feed, walking foot mechanism assures even feeding of several piles or of slippery materials Stitches per minute - 3000* Reverse feed - Model 287R-1/ 287RFS Simple wing nut adjustment permits raising and lowering of the center foot to allow for sewing different thicknesses of material Safety clutch prevents the hook from being damaged Simple adjustment permits the raising and lower of the center foot which allows for sewing of different thickness of material For sewing light to heavy-weight fabric leather, vinyl, upholstery, synthetics, canvas and various laminated and coated materials Designed for stitching tubular and curved work

You're very welcome. The 153 is perfect for the light weight projects you listed, but probably not for double saddle skirting. Saddle Skirting is usually 13 to 15 ounces thick and sole bends are 16 ounces. That machine will not sew any leather exceeding 20 ounces combined, if it will even go that thick. You are going to be limited to using #138 thread, which is too weak for projects that are subject to forces trying to rip them apart. Number 138 bonded nylon only has a tensile strength of 22 pounds pull. Without sounding like an ad agent, it is beginning to sound like the flat or roller foot Cowboy 2500 may be your best bet. I'm embedding the spec sheet for it, below. Bob Kovar, owner of Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines is the distributor (866-362-7397). I do believe you can get this machine, with both regular and roller feet, and a swing down roller edge guide and reverse, for about a grand, plus shipping. It sews from a few ounces up to almost a half inch of leather, cloth, bioplastic, etc. It has bottom feed only, but is extremely heavy duty and can sew with very heavy thread, and has huge bobbins. It comes with a gear reduction servo motor that can be foot controlled down to a stitch every 2 seconds, or up to maybe 6 stitches per second, at toe down. I call this machine a sleeper machine, because many people ignore it in favor of the more expensive walking foot machines. It does a great job on flat top layer projects, up to almost 1/2" thickness. If your work doesn't have to walk over different layers or big seams, this machine will do everything you have listed. This includes sewing two layers of 15 ounce saddle skirting together, with #346 bonded nylon or bonded polyester thread (or even #415 I think).

The machine in the picture is a Singer 153w, not a 155. It is capable of sewing just under 3/8" of medium temper leather, with a #22 needle and #138 thread (top and bottom). While the machine is able to use up to a #25 needle (series 135x16), it won't sew with much thicker thread than #207 on top and #138 in the bobbin. The larger the needle, the harder it will be to penetrate the leather. The thicker the thread, the harder to pull it well up into the leather. That said, $300 is a fair price, with a clutch motor and table. Needles and bobbins are readily available, as are replacement parts, which you are probably going to need. While these machines are old and limited in their handling capacities, they are great for sewing things that have curves, or raised tops. I had one of the 153 Singers that I used to sew saddlebags (upside down), hats, vest and jacket arm holes and cuffs on chaps, pants, shirts and jackets. Do not expect that machine to sew sole leather at all. It will be damaged trying. The same goes for tack and harnesses, except for soft, stuffed bridle leather (2 layers 10 oz max). This is not a saddlery machine in the biggest stretch of the imagination. These are not a good machine for dense leather, or over ~5/16" thickness (they can be customized to sew almost 3/8"). The bobbins are standard industrial size, which are about the same as a home class 15 bobbin. They go a long way with #69 nylon thread, but only half that far with #138. You probably will want to use #138 thread, top and bottom, on any leather project of 1/4" or thicker. You cannot efficiently use any thicker thread in the bobbin. Spools of bonded nylon thread sell between $16 and $20 a pound, from our dealers. I often use #138 Linhanyl thread in my National walking foot machine, which I buy from Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines, where I also get needles, bobbins and extra bobbin cases (to preload for big jobs).

The Tippman Boss is okay for small projects, as it is hand operated. You will grow tired of it if you get into any kind of long strap production. Furthermore, the throat depth is only about 6". There are going to be some leather projects that you cannot turn around in that amount of space. Finally, a Tippman Boss sells for $1495.00. That amount of money can buy you a brand new Cowboy 2500 cylinder arm machine, with reverse, equipped with a gear reduction servo motor attached to a power stand. It can sew about 1/2" of belt or bridle leather, with # 346 thread. It has a very large cylindrical bobbin. Or, for between $1800 to $2500, you can get a brand new, fully equipped, Cowboy, or Cobra compound feed walking foot harness stitcher, in arm lengths ranging from 9" to 16.5". These machines can plow through 3/4" of harness leather, with up to #415 bonded nylon thread. They can also sew as light a 1/8" thick chaps, with #138 thread. They have huge bobbins and long needles. If you want to sew a wide variety of leather projects, including chaps, saddlebags, holsters and tack, you should get a compound feed walking or jumping foot machine. I would recommend that you call the dealers I mentioned and tell them what you intend to sew and your projected budget. They will recommend a machine to fit those requirements, at the best price they can offer. Our dealers warranty their machines and stand behind every one, 100%. If you need assistance after a purchase, they are there to help you and make things right. If a part fails, they'll send a replacement, or repair it themselves. You can call them for technical advice on operational details that might have you stumped. You will probably not find such a machine on eBay, or Craigslist, or at your local upholstery shop. Nor will you get the great follow-up service our dealers offer you. They don't just advertise here, they are also members and frequent this very forum.

Pfaff 145 sewing machines are now approaching a half century old. You should try it out and see how much wobble there is in the needle bar. They are small bobbin walking foot machines, suitable for use with up to #138 nylon or polyester thread. They are reported to be capable of sewing up to 20 ounces of light temper leather. They are really designed for upholstery work. The motor is most likely set up with a very large pulley, which will make it hard to control when sewing small projects. Expect to replace the pulley and belt with smaller ones. If you have never used an industrial sewing machine, you'll probably want to buy a servo motor to replace the clutch motor. Do not sew dense veg-tan belts and holsters on a Pfaff 145, unless it is in like new condition (unlikely). You may be successful with the first few items, but it will probably begin to go out of time and cause you problems as you continue to abuse it. I would keep on looking if I wanted to sew tack and holsters. Don't bother looking in upholstery shops. Their machines are not designed or setup for heavy leather and the thick thread required to do those jobs. They use flatbed machines exclusively, whereas holster, tack and saddlebag sewers use cylinder arm machines. We have dealers here who sell real leather sewing machines and accessories. Contact Bob Kovar (Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines - 866-362-7397), in the East, or "Cobra" Steve, of Cobra Sewing Machines, in the West (866-962-9880).

Be sure to let Bob Kovar know what voltage and cycles per second your power source is operating at. I don't know what the range of variance is in the servo motors, but clutch motors allow you to use 50 cycle power, if that is what you have, and just run a bit slower as a result.

I need a 1 1/4" oblong slot, arch punch, any brand, in good condition. Also, a 7/8" slot punch would prove useful for a certain job. PM me if you have a spare punch you can sell.

Needle feed works best on cloth, which that Adler is designed to sew. However, if you buy a roller or Teflon replacement foot (if you can find one for that machine), it will also feed light leather. You are pretty much limited to #69 thread, with a #18/110 leather point needle. It might be able to sew with #92. Without a roller foot your machine may not allow you to sew leather properly. Adler feet and parts are pricy and available from certain dealers who sell or repair Adler machines. The Singer 153w103 will feed leather, up to 5/16". It will handle up to #138 thread. Bobbins are standard industrial size and are cheap. The 153 uses standard parts available everywhere sewing machine parts are sold. It uses series 135x16 leather point needles, which are available in all sizes, up to #25 (not for that machine!). You can use a #22 leather point point needle and Weaver lubricated thread and it will do everything you described. You didn't mention if the machines are mounted on tables, with 110 volt single phase clutch motors. You will need a motor and table. For leather, you need at least a 1/3 HP 1725 RPM motor. It will probably have too large of a pulley when you buy it, but smaller pulleys are available on eBay and from Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines. If you find you can't control the clutch motor, you can buy a servo motor with built in gear reduction and a 2" pulley, from Toledo Ind Sew Mach. Neither machine can sew harnesses or holsters (other than pancake style), because of their smallish thread size capacities, small bobbins, short-ish needles and light pressure and thread tension springs. Serious leather stitchers use a very long needle that allows a long stroke, for sewing over 1/2" of material. They are built to handle heavy thread and penetrate dense, thick leather, at very slow speeds.

Your Pfaff 463 is a high speed garment sewing machine. The feed dogs are too small to pull real leather through, unless they are raise all the way up. The top pressure spring is insufficient for holding down veg-tan leather. It is capable of sewing garment or upholstery grade leather if you do the following things. Thread it with #69 bonded nylon thread, maximum. Change the pressor foot to either a nylon, or roller foot. You may also be able to purchase a 3 piece roller foot conversion system. Raise the feed dog up higher, to about 1/16" above the throat plate feed slots. Change the motor speed to a much slower RPM, like around 300 stitches per minute (5 per second). Set the stitch length to 5 to the inch. Increase the pressor foot pressure to maximum, after installing a roller equipped pressor foot. Make sure there is plenty of oil in the machine and in the oil pan. Install a #18 or #20 (metric 110 or 120) leather point needle, of the correct needle system for that Pfaff machine. Even with all of these changes, the most you will be able to sew is about 1/8" to 3/16" of soft leather, with #69 thread.

The same thing has happened to me, with black bonded nylon, which was not properly bonded. They are bad batches. I usually relegate those spools to bobbin use only, or give them away. If you bought them from a reputable dealer, ask about an exchange. BTW, this can happen to any thread manufacturer. I bought several spools of Linhanyl thread and one of the black spools isn't solidly bonded. It is good enuf for use in the bobbin, but not on top. Another spool bought at the same time is just fine. I wonder now if it may have something to do with the black dye?

I have bought parts from him, with no problems at all. He produces Youtube videos showing his various sewing machines in action, as well as how to change a straight stitch machine into a roller foot machine. One of our members has had a Juki set-up with a roller foot and timed by Atlas Levy, for a reasonable charge. Atlas Levy is a power seller on eBay. While I wouldn't consider that company a source for leather stitchers at all, I would consider them for garment, carpet, upholstery, sergers and other production machines for the general Needle Trade.

Be sure to check back on this forum, if and when you decide you need a true leather sewing machine. We will help you pick the best machine for the jobs awaiting it. Folks. As Tom noted, just because a machine can sew with #277 thread does not mean it can do so efficiently, or repeatedly. Furthermore, the pounding a machine takes when penetrating thick or dense leather will cause early wear and problems for upholstery grade machines. Those machines were designed with parts suitable for sewing heavy cloth, or Naugahyde, with #69 up to #138 nylon thread. Most piped jobs never exceed 4 layers of material, which is about 1/8" thickness. Those materials offer little resistance to the needle and thread and are very easy to feed (on a walking foot machine). They are geared up, for speed, because speed translates into money in that business. A man with a walking foot machine, sewing a 20 foot nylon boat cover, does not want to putt putt along at 300 SPM. On the other hand, a leather crafter sewing a holster must sew very slowly (300 - 450 SPM max), to avoid burning the leather and melting the thread. I've seen needles turn red hot while sewing fast (before I knew better) and smoke coming off of the leather.

You are going to wear out your machine by sewing with #277 thread. At least step down to #207 on top and #138 in the bobbin. Make sure you use leather point needles. Note, that the larger the needle size, the harder it is to penetrate the leather and pull the bottom thread up into the lockstitch. Use the smallest motor pulley you can buy. You'll also need to get a shorter belt to keep the motor adjustment within its available thread range. I changed from a 3" pulley to a 2" pulley and had to go down 1" in belt length. It did improve punching power and slow speed operability. Better yet, buy a gear reduction 300 Watt, SewPro 500GR servo motor from Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines (and a 2" shorter belt). You will have all kinds of punching power at very slow and controllable speeds. It uses no electricity until you press on the foot pedal and sew. My Opinion Follows There are specially designed leather stitchers available from member dealers on this forum. These machines will handle #346 thread, top and bottom, and even #415 for some models. They use a much larger needle system than the Singer 111 and its clones, like Tacsew. All shafts, gears and bearings are much thicker. The take-up levers, rods and tensioners are beefed up and the bobbins hold a huge amount of thick thread and use an oscillating shuttle system with lots of clearance, that allows you to sew with very heavy thread.

There is a lot of "stuff" that has to be done to get a heavy duty leather stitcher into optimal sewing condition, for the thick, dense leather they are meant to sew. Steve Tayrien is one of the few on this forum who have the background, knowledge and will power to do so on each machine they sell. That is a commodity that is appreciated by everybody who invests a large sum of money in one of his awesome sewing machines. Take notice of the dealers who respond directly to posts made on this forum, to people seeking assistance with problems operating or adjusting a Cobra, Cowboy, or Campbell-Randall stitcher (and other brands). Some companies are silent when a customer posts for help with one of their machines. I think about the poor guys who bought Tacsew machines and got no help from importers or dealers. Yes, the machines were less expensive than a Cowboy or Cobra, but, where was the help and parts when they cried out? SILENT Price should not be the final determination when choosing a true leather sewing machine. A brand new machine, that is fully warranted and supported by a real person, is much more worth the money than a used, possibly abused upholstery, or garment machine that has to be kit-bashed in order to sew even 1/4" of holster leather together. Those industrial machines strain to sew with #207 thread on top only. A top of the line Cobra or Cowboy machine will handle up to #415 thread, as do the unbelievably awesome Campbell-Randall needle and awl stitchers. And, they last a lifetime. Just my 2 cents worth