Ah yes, Thanks! I have some of those ProCrafter's and they are really nice. I like the meander border tool and the basketweaves. I have used the heck out of the Pebblers too. I know you are going to say I wallop them too hard, but I don't, one of my basketweaves shaft started to bend and the same deal with a friends too. But that doesn't change how nice the defined stamp is.