Members Constabulary Posted November 6, 2022 Members Report Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) So here it is - my latest barn find, a Dürkopp class 17 patcher. I just picked it up this Sunday morning from the grandson of the former owner which died in 1989 but he went out of business way earlier. So this machine probably has not been touched for 50 years or more. This is my first Dürkopp class 17 ever, I had a class 18 before but yet no class 17. I have to figure what subclass it is. I assume it is a short arm with medium hook but have to free the hook first and check my records. All parts seem to be present except 1 spring but that should not be a big issue. It is mounted on a GÖRICKE branded treadle base but the machine definitely is Dürkopp made. Interestingly there seems to be a small pedestal mounted between treadle base and machine. Unfortunately no further accessories and no drawer. It seems to be a very early model cause the later class 17 had different needle plates and different tension units. So I have a nice project for the the upcoming cold days (if we will have cold days at all). Next will be a generous oiling to free some the moving parts and especially the hook (needle plate is "frozen"). I´m really looking forward to get this thing running again. Some pictures: Edited November 6, 2022 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members sbrownn Posted November 6, 2022 Members Report Posted November 6, 2022 The rust puts a wonderful patina on a gorgeous old machine. Quote
Members Garyak Posted November 6, 2022 Members Report Posted November 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Constabulary said: So here it is - my latest barn find, a Dürkopp class 17 patcher. I just picked it up this Sunday morning from the grandson of the former owner which died in 1989 but he went out of business way earlier. So this machine probably has not been touched for 50 years or more. This is my first Dürkopp class 17 ever, I had a class 18 before but yet no class 17. I have to figure what subclass it is. I assume it is a short arm with medium hook but have to free the hook first and check my records. All parts seem to be present except 1 spring but that should not be a big issue. It is mounted on a GÖRICKE branded treadle base but the machine definitely is Dürkopp made. Interestingly there seems to be a small pedestal mounted between treadle base and machine. Unfortunately no further accessories and no drawer. It seems to be a very early model cause the later class 17 had different needle plates and different tension units. So I have a nice project for the the upcoming cold days (if we will have cold days at all). Next will be a generous oiling to free some the moving parts and especially the hook (needle plate is "frozen"). I´m really looking forward to get this thing running again. Some pictures: I’ve never seen one period. Super cool find, and definitely can’t wait to see your magic worked…. Quote
Members Talisien Posted November 6, 2022 Members Report Posted November 6, 2022 Good looking beast there. What fun Quote Skill set = Canvas - Tents - Leather / Machines = *Singer 45K* *Singer 132K6* / Website = www.ravenstow.com.au
Members Constabulary Posted November 7, 2022 Author Members Report Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) I finally freed the hook cover plate to access the hook and I googled for other Dürkopp patchers and cross checked my records and came to the conclusion this must be a 17-1-2. 17 = Machine Class 1-2 = 1 is for the 38cm cylinder arm (2 would be for 43cm arm) and the 2nd digit 2 is for the hook size medium (1= small, 2 = medium, 3 = large). Interestingly the Dürkopp medium hook is very similar to the large hook that CLAES uses as their #3 or #30 subclass. I figured that cause the Dürkopp bobbins are a tad smaller in diameter. So chances are good that the CLAES #3 and #30 hooks could (probably) work in the Dürkopp medium hook machines as well. But that is just a guess at the moment. Also the shuttle driver basket is very similar to the CLEAS #3 / #30 shuttle drivers BUT they have a different driving pinion (so not interchangeable). Here is a list of Class 17 machine sub classes. Not sure if complete but thats what I have found so far: 17-1-1 sewing machine for shoemaker, heart curve driven needle bar, otherwise construction similar to the class 16-1, cylinder length 380 mm, smallest head, needle 88 and variants 17-1-2 - as class 17-1-1, medium cylinder head, needle 88 and variants 17-1-2 K - as class 17-1-2 with device for cross stitch sewing, needle 88 and variants 17-1-3 - as class 17-1-1, larger cylinder head, needle 332 long 17-2-1 - as class 17-1-1, cylinder length 430 mm, arm of class 18, needle 88 17-2-2 - as class 17-1-2, also adjustable for cross stitches, needle 88 17-2-3 - as class 17-1-3, cylinder length 430 mm, needle 332 long 17-5-1 (17-4) - cylinder length 500 mm, sewing machine for shoemakers, heavy duty, smallest cylinder head, needle 332 long 17-5-2 (17-5) - as class 17-5-1, medium cylinder head, needle 332 long 17-6 - as class 17-5-1, largest cylinder head, needle 332 long 17-10 - sewing machine for hat makers, cross stitch device, cylinder length 380 mm, needle 88 17-12 - motorized machine, 250 stitches per minute, needle 88 Edited November 7, 2022 by Constabulary Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
Members Constabulary Posted November 7, 2022 Author Members Report Posted November 7, 2022 Just for the records - the CLAES and Dürkopp shuttle driver compared. So from "inside the fence" the CLAES shuttle hooks will work in the DÜROPP shuttle driver I guess. Quote ~ Keep "OLD CAST IRON" alive - it´s worth it ~ Machines in use: - Singer 111G156 - Singer 307G2 - Singer 29K71 - Singer 212G141 - Singer 45D91 - Singer 132K6 - Singer 108W20 - Singer 51WSV2 - Singer 143W2
CowboyBob Posted November 7, 2022 Report Posted November 7, 2022 Nice find,I've never seen an early tension like that,did all the older ones have the higher mounted bobbin winders too? Quote Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales Ltd. 3631 Marine Rd Toledo,Ohio 43609 1-866-362-7397
Members Handstitched Posted November 7, 2022 Members Report Posted November 7, 2022 What an absolute beauty That emblem in the centre would look great in gold against the black. HS Quote ' I have a very gweat friend in Wome called Biggus Dickus, He has a wife you know, do you know whats she's called? Incontinentia.......Incontinentia Buttocks '
Members shoepatcher Posted November 7, 2022 Members Report Posted November 7, 2022 C, Interested to see how you progress goes on this machine. I have not started on mine yet. Adler's to do first. Take lots of pics. glenn I Quote
Members dikman Posted November 7, 2022 Members Report Posted November 7, 2022 Nice find! That should keep you out of mischief for a while. Quote Machines wot I have - Singer 51W59; Singer 331K4; Seiko STH-8BLD; Pfaff 335; CB4500. Chinese shoe patcher; Singer 201K (old hand crank)
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