TonyGreen3455 Report post Posted November 7 digging the net for some info, found this phrase from hightex guy: "Cowboy CB3200 is a great leather sewing machine for hobby marekt. The performance is NOT as good as Adler 205 and Juki TSC-441. We do not it recommend to professional manufacturers that run the machine for over 8 hours every day." for some unknown reason I'm hearing behind these words - it is weak semi-domestic machine with some alu or plastic inner parts which can't run for a long. CB3200 owners - can you prove or disprove it? I'm not running my machine even for 2 hrs per a day anyway, but after this have to think twice. otherwise - what performance he is talking about? and BTW - can you recognise CB3200 seams? DA205? 441? is there any visible difference on the final results? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DieselTech Report post Posted November 7 Maybe @CowboyBob can give you some helpful info. He knows his stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kgg Report post Posted November 8 1 hour ago, DieselTech said: Maybe @CowboyBob can give you some helpful info. He knows his stuff. Totally agree. 2 hours ago, TonyGreen3455 said: digging the net for some info, found this phrase from hightex guy: "Cowboy CB3200 is a great leather sewing machine for hobby marekt. The performance is NOT as good as Adler 205 and Juki TSC-441. We do not it recommend to professional manufacturers that run the machine for over 8 hours every day." for some unknown reason I'm hearing behind these words - it is weak semi-domestic machine with some alu or plastic inner parts which can't run for a long. CB3200 owners - can you prove or disprove it? I think you should have a look at this discussion as it will give you some insight on the CB3200. If you are looking at the CB3200 for sewing capacity with heavier thread you would probably be better off looking for a Juki TSC441 clone like the Cowboy 4500. What are you planning on sewing with what size of thread keeping in mind what you want to sew in the future??? Knowing those things maybe the CB3200 maybe the right machine, maybe a Class 1341 would be a better option or jump right to the Class 441. kgg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dikman Report post Posted November 8 That comment from Hightex sounds a bit odd to me. I wouldn't have any qualms about buying one, the only reason I didn't is because the cost of just the head was almost the same as the 441, so naturally I bought the biggest I could afford! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted November 8 (edited) Please post a link to that statement. As you know nowadays a lot of unreflected BS is posted here and there in the WWW so knowing the source may help to figure things. On the other hand, with less than 2hrs a day I would not worry too much. Have you ever read anywhere from serious quality problems with these machines - beside user errors or not properly adjusted machines (well that both happens)? I have not. You even considered buying a vintage decades old Singer 45k with unknown millage (they could be worn out too) so I honestly would not worry to much about the newer Chinese made machines. But in the end you decide. Edited November 8 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyGreen3455 Report post Posted November 8 39 minutes ago, Constabulary said: Please post a link to that statement. As you know nowadays a lot of unreflected BS is posted here and there in the WWW so knowing the source may help to figure things. On the other hand, with less than 2hrs a day I would not worry too much. Have you ever read anywhere from serious quality problems with these machines - beside user errors or not properly adjusted machines (well that both happens)? I have not. You even considered buying a vintage decades old Singer 45k with unknown millage (they could be worn out too) so I honestly would not worry to much about the newer Chinese made machines. But in the end you decide. old story actually, but anyway you right - with my semi-hobbyist usage it shouldn't be an issue, but... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Constabulary Report post Posted November 8 (edited) But this is a CB3200 and the one on Ebay that you linked in the other thread seems to be a CB3500 or similar so it is the little bit heavier type if I see this right. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355819813297 I do not know the full details on these machines but as I said I would not worry too much. Just my 2 cents Edited November 8 by Constabulary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damas Report post Posted November 8 (edited) I have the CB3200. It's definitively not a hobbyist or semi-domestic machine. It's sturdy, solid and perfectly finished. No plastic nor alu. And it's very big and heavy. All is smooth in the mecanism. I bought mine second hand from a hobbyist who hardly used it because he was scared of it, too big he said It's main limitation to my opinion is it's capacity under the foot, no more than 15mm which is easy to reach when working with veg tan for instance 8 hours a day is just huge, by "profesionnal manufacturer" I understand factory, industrial working process. Many professionals here, are just craftworkers, they are not 8 hours a day on the sewing machine That said, between a CB3200 and a CB4500 or even a CB3500 I would have chosen bigger. Buying second hand, I did not have that choice Edited November 8 by Damas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CowboyBob Report post Posted November 8 We have sold alot of these over the years approx 3000 or more & haven't seen any major problems with them yet!Yes,the feed mechanism is alittle different that the larger 3500 & 4500 .BUT this was made as a lower price machine to get people sewing for less $$.That's why it's limited to 1/2" of leather for less stress on the feed parts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
