Anyone besides me offended??

[MADMAX22]

Well Dwight as a member that has been here a little longer then you and knowing there were skulls here well before either of us showed up I dont see an issue with suddenly making it a offense. Skulls have been a part of art work for thousands of years  and I dont see any reason that should change if it is what the individual wants to either purchase or create. 

Sure actual pornography or "foul" language can be moderated but as far as the other pieces of art work I dont see an issue. 

But thats just my opinion, like everyone else it probably varies from 99% of the population but then again 80% of statistics are made up on the spot to further liberal campaigns or so I heard.

[druid]

8 hours ago, Dwight said:

I think it is about time someone stood up and took a stand against the encroaching trash that is becoming daily fare on here.

First we have to put up with a full page, . . . left to right, . . . assortment of various iterations of skulls that do absolutely nothing to enhance the image of leather working in general or leather working in practice.  It is nothing more than death bed pornography.

Then we open the site up and some trash minded individual thinks it's funny to plaster the "F" bomb word all over.  It gets taken down once, . . . and it is back up again.

Can we get some kind of consensus among the members on here, . . . especially those of us who have been here for a while, . . . who contribute sensibly vs. pornographically, . . . that we do not need, do not want, and are fed up with this trash?

Thank you, . . . may God bless,

Dwight

Dwight, with as much respect as I can possibly project....

Many of the projects here are works of art for paying customers. The customer gets what they want and the artisans post their pride in what they've sculpted, carved or created.

I tend to think ideology of your 'Pastorship' is influencing your commentary. "F" bombs aside [because I agree with you], this site is about sharing artwork and ideas in leather - not [necessarily] religion. I noticed there are quite a few works of a religious nature on this site. Would you be equally passionate if I were to, for example, cite the same complaints about Christian Crosses, Crucifixes, busts of Christ or anything of the like? I think you might have some disagreeing words to say about that.
You know, if you don't like what's on channel 10, you can change your channel. If you don't like a particular art, then don't look at it.

Edited June 28, 2016 by druid

[Studio-N]

I find the skulls refreshing. there is a lot of color and creativity that goes into a lot of them.  Its a great change from holsters and knife sheaths which some people think is the do-all and end-all of leatherworking. (Hint: it's not).

As for the potty mouth - no. Be civil. this ain't the ghetto.

[oltoot]

As for the skulls, to each his own I say but the potty mouth is pointless trash made permanent by the leather tools employed in the place of spray cans.

[Johanna]

We try to keep the main board family-friendly. We have a place for "adult" stuff so that people who don't want to see it don't have to. No one likes potty mouth. If you see it, click the report to a mod button please and we'll take care of it. I am trying to figure out why the pic that was posted to the adult section showed up on the main board so that it doesn't happen again. Thanks for understanding and following our community standards. 

~J

[Art]

Please, please, PLEASE click the report button.  We mods get these reports with LINKS to the offending posts.  PLEASE don't PM a mod about something that offends you or whoever and not give us a link to it.  We try to stay on top of things, but you can't imagine how much reading it takes.

Do not be offended if a mod decides that your report is less offensive and should be left-up.  If we blasted every post that gets reported, you wouldn't have too much to read.  Ducking has little to do with leatherwork unless you have seen works by Al Stohlman or Robb Barr that obviously (or not so obviously) do.  I would appreciate it if everyone would stick to Ducking instead of F---ing if that will satisfy normal sensibilities, but any censorship kind of goes against my grain.  The vernacular has definitely changed over the years, and some of us have seen quite a few of those years, but the First and Second Amendments haven't changed much, and that is in my opinion a good thing.

Artwork is pretty much what it is, expression.  Botticelli was heavily into T and A and pretty sexually suggestive motifs, and Popes were paying for his work.  Should we confine his work to the NSFW forums or just leave it in churches?

We may be able to clean-up the language just a little, but it will be pretty hard to censure any but the most offensive artwork.  Skulls don't really rise to that level.

Art  

[Boriqua]

I am not offended by skulls and have done more than a few. They have been used in art work since the second person started making art. The first person I think did an animal and the third a naked woman.

In many a culture skull imagery is used in celebration of life. However nasty words on a family forum may not be appropriate and perhaps those pieces need to go into the adult forum. I am thinking of one pillion pad in particular.

Now I  am not easily offended and my tastes in art are rather wide. Words are just that and have only the power you give them. I have received a formal art education in NYC and while it doesnt make me the artist many are here it did expose me to a huge variety of styles and work. That particular leather piece with the offensive word I want to see if only to judge the merits of the work. Often times like with that piece I reference the value is derived from the shock value and not the artistic endeavour but I want to see it and be the judge so I wouldn’t want to see that kind of work removed from the forums but I can see where it needs its own cubby and one has been provided.

Inspiration comes from the darndest places.

 

[LumpenDoodle2]

No real problem with skulls, after all, everyone has one of their very own.  

I especially love looking at the old gravestones.   Back in umpteen oatcake, because few people could read, skulls were used symbolically on gravestones to represent our paths through life and death.  

What upsets me is swearing.   Ok, you might want to make a point through your art, but big naughty word, well, it's not exactly subtle is it (and it's so been done before).   But if the customer want it........ 

I understand even less why sweary words are used in posts, some people just don't seem to be able to write a sentence without a profanity.   Just seems like giving yourself more work when typing.

Personally, I do have a preference towards 'clucking bells' if the need arises.

[bootleg leather]

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[Grey Drakkon]

I'm kind of baffled at skulls being painted as this horrible thing, maybe because I have an art background and like others have pointed out, skulls have been used symbolically through the ages for all sorts of reasons. 

I'm also with Druid, if I was the sort to get offended at everything, I'd be offended by the pushing of people's personal religions.  I'm a big fan of "No religion, no politics" as a discussion topic in forums like these since both tend to turn people into flaming rage monsters.  

As for swearing, rules are rules, and the rules say keep it to the adult section.  Simple enough.  (Um, but now that I think of it, where ARE the rules?  Just took a quick look around and couldn't find them anywhere.)