glue Glue without the Stank?

[Sledzep01]

Ok I am brand new at this, I saw online where many people use rubber cement as a temporary binder to hold things still till it is sewn. I do not like the smell but I may be able to handle it

Then comes the Barges in a blue tube.

WOW no matter the ventilation if I smell it once I have a headache for an hour. Even after it dries for hours if I go near it I get a headache.

What are  good replacements for them that have much less smell?

I was just using some Gorilla glue jell. I only used very little but I did not smell it at all!

Will that be as good for a permanent option as the Barges?

What can replace the rubber cement?

Thanks Sled.

 

[Instinctive]

Go to Home Depot or other hardware store and get a bottle of Lepage Pres-Tite Green Contact Cement. No detectable odor and holds.

[Sledzep01]

26 minutes ago, Instinctive said:

Go to Home Depot or other hardware store and get a bottle of Lepage Pres-Tite Green Contact Cement. No detectable odor and holds.

Does it stay flexible?

The Gorilla certainly did not.

 

Sled

[Danne]

I would recommend Renias waterbased glue.

My two recommendations (What suits your needs best.)

 

Renia Aquilim 315 = Instant and permanent bond. But requires that you sand if you glue flesh to grain. Just put glue on one of the pieces and assemble and press/hammer and you have a good bond. If you glue lets say flesh to sanded grain, then put glue on the sanded grain. I did a test a couple of days ago. I glued two pieces of vegetable tanned leather together, and after dried i put it in water for 15 minutes. The bond was perfect even though the leather was dripping wet.

Renia Aquilim SG = Instant bond on almost everything, i glue my paddings to my granite plate with this (for easier shaping) But this bond is a temporary bond and is possible to remove, so only use this if you are stitching.

Aquilim 315: 

 

Aquilim SG:

 

Edited December 17, 2017 by Danne

[Instinctive]

2 hours ago, Sledzep01 said:

Does it stay flexible?

The Gorilla certainly did not.

 

Sled

No problem at all. Flexible and dries clear.

[alpha2]

Eric, unrelated, but your link to wordpress comes up blank. 

[Instinctive]

4 minutes ago, alpha2 said:

Eric, unrelated, but your link to wordpress comes up blank. 

Unrelated but valuable information. Thanks for picking that up. Wordpress can be a little finicky with links, dependin on the site.

All fixed now.

[alpha2]

Now THAT'S what I was looking for ! Thanks, Eric!

Working on a retirement project of my own. (8 working days left...)

Jeff

[Sledzep01]

Thanks guys, I will give these a shot.

 

Sled

[robs456]

Just embrace the glue high.

New research says brain cells do get replaced so you're not losing out, just enjoy.

[Sanch]

 Recently switched to the Aquilim 315 best choice and investment I've made since I started a long time ago plus T-S-Boy glue pot and mini silicone brushes from Rockler. Wish I'd have gotten both years ago the cost would've been easily offset by ease of use, smell,  and easy cleanup not to mention all the times I've dumped glue due to it drying up to messy boogers in the pot. Such a waste oh well hindsight and all.

[Squilchuck]

I hate the solvent glue smell too, and its definitely not good for you.  I use the Renia water-base glues when I can.  if I have to use a solvent glue, then I use the less toxic Renia or  Barge cements in a fan-vented room and I wear a good respirator that completely filters out the solvent odors.  I bought mine at Lowes off the shelf.  --John

[alpha2]

Sanch, what is the Aquilim like as far as instant "grabbing" power? I like that when I use Tanner's Bond, after letting it set a bit on the pieces, when it's put together, it's TOGETHER. I do hate the waste, though, when the last third of the can is a rock. I got some of their thinner, and it's still an uphill climb to get anywhere a full can's use out of a can. 

Rockler doesn't seem to have the T-S-Boy glue pot on their site anymore, a shame, because I get down to Denver regularly, but a lot of other place have it, and it's what I see all the time on professional leatherworkers pics. There is a different applicator brush for Aquilim as opposed to the solvent based stuff.

 

[Danne]

34 minutes ago, alpha2 said:

Sanch, what is the Aquilim like as far as instant "grabbing" power? I like that when I use Tanner's Bond, after letting it set a bit on the pieces, when it's put together, it's TOGETHER. I do hate the waste, though, when the last third of the can is a rock. I got some of their thinner, and it's still an uphill climb to get anywhere a full can's use out of a can. 

Rockler doesn't seem to have the T-S-Boy glue pot on their site anymore, a shame, because I get down to Denver regularly, but a lot of other place have it, and it's what I see all the time on professional leatherworkers pics. There is a different applicator brush for Aquilim as opposed to the solvent based stuff.

 

What do you mean with different applicator brush? I have never seen those Glue pots with different brushes for water based and solvent based. (The blue ones produced by Minor) Just now i only have one glue pot (for water based) but i need a couple more for other solvent based glues. Where can i read about the different versions?

[alpha2]

10 hours ago, Danne said:

What do you mean with different applicator brush? I have never seen those Glue pots with different brushes for water based and solvent based. (The blue ones produced by Minor) Just now i only have one glue pot (for water based) but i need a couple more for other solvent based glues. Where can i read about the different versions?

http://sorrellnotionsandfindings.com/product/t-s-boy-glue-pot/   This is where I found it. It's the first I'd heard of it, too. Maybe Sanch has some insight on this.

Jeff

[Danne]

3 hours ago, alpha2 said:

http://sorrellnotionsandfindings.com/product/t-s-boy-glue-pot/   This is where I found it. It's the first I'd heard of it, too. Maybe Sanch has some insight on this.

Jeff

Ok, just a way to make money. The included brush works perfect with aquilim 315. If you need a smaller brush, then you can use any brush you want. 

[alpha2]

Good to know! Thanks.

[Sanch]

On 12/18/2017 at 7:36 PM, alpha2 said:

Sanch, what is the Aquilim like as far as instant "grabbing" power? I like that when I use Tanner's Bond, after letting it set a bit on the pieces, when it's put together, it's TOGETHER. I do hate the waste, though, when the last third of the can is a rock. I got some of their thinner, and it's still an uphill climb to get anywhere a full can's use out of a can. 

Rockler doesn't seem to have the T-S-Boy glue pot on their site anymore, a shame, because I get down to Denver regularly, but a lot of other place have it, and it's what I see all the time on professional leatherworkers pics. There is a different applicator brush for Aquilim as opposed to the solvent based stuff.

 

Sorry for the late reply! I did purchase my ts boy glue pot from Sorrell Notions the brushes I got from Rockler were there small detail brushes I did not get them from the same place that I bought the glue pot. I suppose that the brush that the glue pot came with would work just fine I just wanted a silicone brush that I could clean easily and as of yet have to be disappointed in any way shape or form with the silicone brush I got from Rockler

[Sanch]

On 12/18/2017 at 7:36 PM, alpha2 said:

Sanch, what is the Aquilim like as far as instant "grabbing" power? I like that when I use Tanner's Bond, after letting it set a bit on the pieces, when it's put together, it's TOGETHER. I do hate the waste, though, when the last third of the can is a rock. I got some of their thinner, and it's still an uphill climb to get anywhere a full can's use out of a can. 

Rockler doesn't seem to have the T-S-Boy glue pot on their site anymore, a shame, because I get down to Denver regularly, but a lot of other place have it, and it's what I see all the time on professional leatherworkers pics. There is a different applicator brush for Aquilim as opposed to the solvent based stuff.

 

The aquilim 315 is not an instant stick, it has to pop off or get Tacky in other words. There is a slight learning curve but once you understand that the glue does tack up after a few minutes or you can force it with a heat gun the bond is more less instant and very very strong I would put it against any solvent-based cement that I have used. the way that I use it is I heat it with a heat gun and then Hammer my glued edges it has been working flawlessly.

[alpha2]

Thanks for the replies Sanch, I'm not in such a hurry I can't wait a bit for glue to set up a bit. I also use a hair dryer to speed things along, so the Aquilim would work fine for me too. And it looks like there's a glue pot in my future.

Jeff

[Sledzep01]

So I bought both of the aquilim glues.]

Do I still need silicone brushes? or would regular be ok??

Sled

[Danne]

On 2017-12-22 at 7:13 AM, Sledzep01 said:

So I bought both of the aquilim glues.]

Do I still need silicone brushes? or would regular be ok??

Sled

315 and SG? For waterbased glues you can use regular brushes. I have a bottle of water on my desk to rinse my brushes after glueing.

There are two ways to use Aquilim 315.

1. Apply 315 to ONE SIDE of leather (if one side is flesh side and one side is roughed/sanded grain, then apply to the piece with sanded grain.) and assemble directly and press a couple of seconds, or use a hammer. Now you have a good bond (which of course gets better when completely dried.)

2. Apply Aquilim 315 to both sides and let dry until it's clear, then assemble.

 

If you need a good solvent based glue for leather i can recommend two different versions from Renia. 

Renia - Topfit: Very versatile glue, also a good glue for bonding wet leather (If you need that for molded pieces for any reason.) One benefit with this glue is that it's not "stringy" 

Renia - Colle De Cologne: Really good for oil tanned leather, but it's "stringy"

I have most of Renias glues for leather. If i should choose three of them for the things i do, it would be. 315, SG and Top Fit.

Edited December 23, 2017 by Danne

[Sanch]

The brush that the TS boy glue pot comes with will work just fine as long as you keep it rinsed as suggested. Here's a quick picture of my setup as you can see I purchased all of it except for the silicone brushes from Sorrell Notions. the blue handle thingy on the right of the picture is the silicone brush LOL! The other one is in the glue pot. For the price of 2 I would purchase them vs the specific brush shown on the Sorelle Notions website. Just my opinion.

Edited December 25, 2017 by Sanch

[Danne]

47 minutes ago, Sanch said:

The brush that the TS boy glue pot comes with will work just fine as long as you keep it rinsed as suggested. Here's a quick picture of my setup as you can see I purchased all of it except for the silicone brushes from Sorrell Notions. the blue handle thingy on the right of the picture is the silicone brush LOL! The other one is in the glue pot. For the price of 2 I would purchase them vs the specific brush shown on the Sorelle Notions website. Just my opinion.

My brush look different. Ts-Boy looks like a clone of Minor. 

Edited December 25, 2017 by Danne

[Sanch]

1 minute ago, Danne said:

My brush look different. Ts-Boy looks like clone of Minor. 

Hmmm, possibly!