vegan leather The new trend in leather that they want to create

[Rockoboy]

2 hours ago, alpha2 said:

OP is allegedly from Venezuela

Two points come to mind ...

1. If there are any doubts as to a person's country of residence (possible subterfuge etc), that can be ascertained by the Mods.

2. I believe the OP has misspelt 'PLASTIC' in his 1st post. He spelt it 'vegan leather' ...

Are we to assume the vegans who refuse to use leather, are happy to use petrochemicals (and deal with the toxins from the manufacturing process) to produce similar items?

[Northmount]

32 minutes ago, Rockoboy said:

person's country of residence

IP address resolves to Venezuela.  OP has last visited this site on last Saturday.  Has only made this one post.

Tom

[NVLeatherWorx]

11 hours ago, Rockoboy said:

Are we to assume the vegans who refuse to use leather, are happy to use petrochemicals (and deal with the toxins from the manufacturing process) to produce similar items?

In fact, they are and that is what is the most comical of the whole Vegan thing in the first place.  To live your life thinking you are "saving" something by not eating it and using its skins for daily use items and thereby doing your part to keep this planet alive yet you espouse the greatness of artificial products and they help you in your cause when they are really nothing more than toxic chemicals and other hazardous materials as you pointed out. 

The biggest thing to take away from this whole post in the first place is that we had a person from the "movement" jump into our forums and try to make their voice heard.  However, their voice fell flat because their direction was misguided, their material was flawed and full of grammatical errors, and they were stupid enough to try it in a place where everyone knows more about their "cause" than they do.  

[Mark842]

On 12/23/2018 at 4:34 PM, NVLeatherWorx said:

Funny you bring up Tesla and the upholstery idea.  The makers of ALL of the Tesla interiors is based right here in my hometown and I haven't seen a single piece of artificial "leather" in their building.  They use very real animal skins that have been tanned to create their leathers that are used for everything inside the Tesla vehicles.  So, if someone sold your Brother on "vegan" for the leather he is going to be pleasantly (maybe) surprised because it should be real leather.  The one thing that Tesla does not do is go cheap on anything that is associated with their vehicles and Mr. Musk has made it abundantly clear in his business plan and model that the Tesla vehicle line is a very high-end Luxury line intended to compete with the big Sports car brands of the World.  Hell, they don't even use fake wood, it is very real and very expensive.

But you are right on the fact that you just can't make this $hi! up.  It will however go away if we can all find a way to quit acknowledging the concept and just don't give it any "air time"; eventually when you stop talking about something it just starts to slowly fade away and "die" off into the Sunset (or was that "ride" off into the Sunset? Hell, it is all the same).

https://electrek.co/2017/07/22/tesla-seat-options-now-vegan/

[NVLeatherWorx]

5 hours ago, Mark842 said:

https://electrek.co/2017/07/22/tesla-seat-options-now-vegan/

Thanks for the link but the Tesla interiors producer is named Deahan Solution and they only work with leather and other natural materials, no artificial materials.

[rodneywt1180b]

It's an inevitable part of life that there is no free lunch.  Even Tesla's batteries come from somewhere as does the electricity used to charge them.  It sounds like Tesla moved their seats in house according to the article.  Maybe their contract with Deahan is over?  I'm not sure that artificial "leather" is any better for the environment than the real thing.

My thought is if you want something that looks and behaves like leather, use leather.  If you're against using animal products use something else like fabric instead of trying to copy the animal product.

I think vinyl products came about because they're cheaper to produce and come in standard sizes, not because they're better or more environmentally friendly.

[JazzBass]

From that link that @Mark842 posted -

"Tesla’s mission statement is “to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy.”  While many are attracted to Teslas simply because of their incredible performance or for other reasons, it’s obvious that the point of an electric car company is to offer consumers a more environmentally-friendly choice. "

Really? I don't see any Thorium reactors being used to make electricity. These cars are almost exclusively powered by fossil fuels - not to even mention the machinery and energy to dig, extract,  and refine the materials that make up the car itself.

...and fake leather is "sustainable"? The whole thing is complete idiocy.

[alpha2]

27 minutes ago, JazzBass said:

From that link that @Mark842 posted -

"Tesla’s mission statement is “to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy.”  While many are attracted to Teslas simply because of their incredible performance or for other reasons, it’s obvious that the point of an electric car company is to offer consumers a more environmentally-friendly choice. "

Really? I don't see any Thorium reactors being used to make electricity. These cars are almost exclusively powered by fossil fuels - not to even mention the machinery and energy to dig, extract,  and refine the materials that make up the car itself.

...and fake leather is "sustainable"? The whole thing is complete idiocy.

You'd think that would be obvious, wouldn't you? I could try to explain what the faces look like on those poorly informed when you explain it to them, but my description wouldn't do it justice. It is a hoot to point it out to them, though!

And vinyl is a petrochemical product. You know, their replacement for leather. Priceless.

Jeff

Edited December 29, 2018 by alpha2

[TonyV]

so-called "vegan leather" is plastic, for sure.   But not vinyl, nor even from petrochemicals.  It is made of plastic derived from vegetable oil.  Yes, it's a thing.

[Rockoboy]

1 hour ago, TonyV said:

It is made of plastic derived from vegetable oil.

I would be very interested to know more about the process for making plastic from vegetable oil. Does it use copious amounts of water, lots of electricity or leave other toxic waste at the end of the process?

Methinks there is more to this story than meets the eye.

One salient point I obtain from a quick Google search "Producing 250 million tons of bioplastic plastic to replace conventional plastic, will require 100 million hectares of land, which is 7% of the arable land on earth" Wikipedia