Wickett/Craig

[matthewb137]

4 hours ago, JLSleather said:

Such is the process these days. Don't fix the problem... just market to "new guys" who don't know the difference.  Get 'em early, convince them that the poop they're chewing is good for you   

Of course, it's a matter of time. You use a "name" to sell your poop, pretty soon you've got poop on the name.

 

I actually travel to W/C quite often to pick out my sides since they’re only a couple hours away. And I will say that the quality isn’t as great as it used to be. They’re top shelf sides used to be spotless. But as I was talking to my salesperson, I noticed a lot of new faces working behind the scenes. A lot of then people with 20, 30, 40 years of experience are retiring. Now you have a bunch of kids my age (young 20s) that are doing the job but just don’t care. It may be a rough next couple of years. 

[YinTx]

On 3/25/2019 at 11:07 AM, matthewb137 said:

I noticed a lot of new faces working behind the scenes.

If I recall, I read an article indicating they had a change of guard in the C Suite as well...  I still haven't received my order yet, we'll see what comes in the mail.  Ya'll have me worried.

YinTx

[nrk]

On 3/28/2019 at 7:53 AM, YinTx said:

If I recall, I read an article indicating they had a change of guard in the C Suite as well...  I still haven't received my order yet, we'll see what comes in the mail.  Ya'll have me worried.

YinTx

so what did you get?

ps.

im gonna receive next purchase of tooling 'standard' grade in maybe two weeks. remind me to share

[JLSleather]

I forgot about this topic until it popped up.  This is good -- I meant to copy part of it!

Still, I will say that I ordered W/C leathers recently, and have been much more satisfied.  A couple weeks ago I found myself needing quite a bit of thinner leather, so I just ordered ONE side of that weight.  Upon inspection, I regret only ordering one -- this is the nicest leather I've seen in a WHILE (should have bought 10).

[JLSleather]

On 3/14/2019 at 7:48 AM, chrisash said:

You ordered some leather, but did not like what came, they offered you the choice of keeping it or returning it, you chose not to return it for your own reasons but then slagged the company off for being crap.

Its hard for any company to react different, if you don't return it for them to understand the problem

How do they not understand the problem?  "A" grade is determined by the number of marks per sq foot (or actually, the LACK of marks per foot).  I don't object to you selling various grades, just send me the grade I paid for.

Some of those best known around here certainly know what I'm referring to.  You get somebody to round up all the new & inexperienced for you - all in one place.  Then you market / ad / sell to that crowd.  Get a bunch of people who don't know any better talking about your product...  occasionally, somebody who knows the difference will complain, but you send that one in 50 a different piece and a pretty story about how you don't know how that happened (hint: it happened because that refuse was on your shelf).

I do sometimes try to inform those who care to know.  But I suspect much of it is like water off a duck ....

[chrisash]

Boy you sure are a unhappy person, you seem to moan about the whole world and even manage to bring up a post of 7 months ago with a ramble, no wonder your post count is so large

[chuck123wapati]

I agree with you wholeheartedly ! It seems there is no quality any more in any products, I find the video posted here  last week about W&C not being able to sell their products kind of ironic. We don't have people staying in jobs forever anymore and any Administration or quality control nowadays goes to an college grad with a sheepskin in Business administration with little or no real experience in whatever trade so they in essence know squat about leather or whatever the product is. But they can sure tell you how good it is and build some BS selling propaganda for it.  Not that a degree isn't a good thing so those out there with one , me included, don't beat me up if I offended, but it doesn't mean they know everything or even anything really. You all know that education in America is now about 17th place in the world down from #1 20 years ago, I guess I'm ranting a bit also but todays world has no real work ethic, pride of building a career, or just plain working hard for a living for the majority of our new modern society.

 So all I can say friend is maybe there is a way to write off your losses, donate to the scouts or some charity or maybe your accountant can find a way to write off the loss. It sure does suck though to see this happening, I have a hide, not much left, of W&C leather that I bought probably 20 year ago and its so nice I have been saving it and use it only on my best stuff because I hate to cut up lol.

 So now we know why Tandy cant get good hides also as well as any  business that buys from the tanneries.  Another big thing that is driving this problem is the BIG companies buy out the small companies, or contract with, that produce the needed materials for their products then charge more to the small business and public market. We see that daily in the grocery store fresh produce costs more than processed, costs more for the ingredients to make a cookie than you can buy one at the local crap food place. 

[JLSleather]

1 hour ago, chrisash said:

Boy you sure are a unhappy person, you seem to moan about the whole world and even manage to bring up a post of 7 months ago with a ramble, no wonder your post count is so large

In America, 3/14 was NINE months ago.  If you get conscious - even temporarily - you'll see that somebody ELSE 'revived' the topic and I added that W/C HAD sent me some very nice leather recently.

Not sure why you'd think I'm not happy, though.  There IS quality to be had (not just in leather). Which is why it makes it reprehensible and unnecessary to attempt to sell me that which is not WHAT YOU SAID.

Around here, we discuss LEATHER, or so I thought when I noticed this site.  I know not all "members" really care about that.

[blue62]

3 hours ago, JLSleather said:

In America, 3/14 was NINE months ago.  If you get conscious - even temporarily - you'll see that somebody ELSE 'revived' the topic and I added that W/C HAD sent me some very nice leather recently.

Not sure why you'd think I'm not happy, though.  There IS quality to be had (not just in leather). Which is why it makes it reprehensible and unnecessary to attempt to sell me that which is not WHAT YOU SAID.

Around here, we discuss LEATHER, or so I thought when I noticed this site.  I know not all "members" really care about that.

Nope, not anymore, it's all about YouTube and building a brand, then the quality of the product doesn't matter.

[JLSleather]

28 minutes ago, blue62 said:

Nope, not anymore, it's all about YouTube and building a brand, then the quality of the product doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter TO WHO?    I do leather 'stuff'.  When I find a good deal, I'm happy to refer the person who gave me the deal.  When I find a not so good deal, I generally run my mouth about that too    If the next guy wants to buy refuse because it's "popular" with others, have at it.  IF a BUNCH of dummies want to throw their money away, no matter to me.

I'm sure I've mentioned it before ... SIX MILLION "pet rocks" got sold back when.  Then there were a JILLION "imitations", and then after a few years they were REreleased as "the ORIGINAL pet rock"  and a bunch of people bought MORE.  I had a couple friends - just kids back then really - I asked why they bought that idiotic crap.  Well, cuz "everybody else did"... Okay, your money - whatever.  But don't say I didn't tell you.

But I like to make my own choices, and quality matters to me.