Is Facebook now Vegan????

[jcuk]

Hi

Is this decision coming from the top ie the executives of F***book? ( We all know what that four letter word sometimes could mean - hope we are all adults reading this). The ones that drive round in high end German cars with with lovely leather trim?!!!

 

All the best 

JCUK

[Mark842]

Quote from Natalie Portman.

“Only after I became active in women’s issues did I realize that my veganism was related to those very issues,” she told the crowd. “Dairy and eggs don’t just come from cows and chickens, they come from female cows and female chickens. We’re exploiting female bodies and abusing the magic of female animals to create eggs and milk.”

All I can say is I'm glad I'm old and will probably die before this shit gets too crazy!

[Big Sioux Saddlery]

9 minutes ago, Mark842 said:

Quote from Natalie Portman.

“Only after I became active in women’s issues did I realize that my veganism was related to those very issues,” she told the crowd. “Dairy and eggs don’t just come from cows and chickens, they come from female cows and female chickens. We’re exploiting female bodies and abusing the magic of female animals to create eggs and milk.”

I am female, and while I can't handle much dairy, I love meat,  and I have 2 eggs plus bacon every morning for breakfast.  While I don't have a problem with people eating whatever they choose to eat, or not, the spreading of that BS to people who may be easily influenced by it makes me angry.  Completely ridiculous.

[mikesc]

Out of curiosity, i just ran a site search with Google of facebook for the term leather..
If you copy and paste into the Google search box this search string on the line below.

site:facebook.com leather

You get nearly 59 million results..Every one of the 1st page of results has the word "leather" in the descriptive text that is on their facebook page..
RockyAussie, you must have really got someone at facebook who got out of bed on the wrong side..!!
The place is choka with people and companies selling leather, leather goods, and mentioning "leather" on their pages there..with pictures too!!

If what you were told is "policy" there..they are applying it very very selectively..

[noobleather]

The future worries me, the internet has gotten better and worse since it first started.

What's happens when Google goes to war with Facebook?

 

[RockyAussie]

11 hours ago, mikesc said:

Out of curiosity, i just ran a site search with Google of facebook for the term leather..
If you copy and paste into the Google search box this search string on the line below.

site:facebook.com leather

You get nearly 59 million results..Every one of the 1st page of results has the word "leather" in the descriptive text that is on their facebook page..
RockyAussie, you must have really got someone at facebook who got out of bed on the wrong side..!!
The place is choka with people and companies selling leather, leather goods, and mentioning "leather" on their pages there..with pictures too!!

If what you were told is "policy" there..they are applying it very very selectively..

From what I can understand this position on this policy is very recent and I have found a huge amount of posts bringing this issue up now. Our website is done with Shopify and they informed us that it was possible to now use facebook/instagram to market sell our products in a connected way via hitting the shop icon to the left in facebook. Although we have tried several times we continue to get rejected product notices from Facebook as shown in my posting above as do many others now. Personally I don't use facebook and don't much care one way or the other whether we get to use the platform or not. WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES NOW THAT DISGUISE THEIR WORDING TO GET PAST THE FACEBOOK ROBOTS AND STAFF. I SEE THAT THE EXTREMIST GROUPS WILL BE ABLE ABLE TO USE EVERY FORM OF MEDIA TO  SLANDER THESE BUSINESS AND GET EVEN MORE MEDIA TRACTION TO APPLY EVEN MORE PRESSURE. As I said facebook marketing if it is not there to me is no big deal but I DO love animals a lot. I don't see how what the Vegans and some animal rights groups are proposing is not far more cruel. I have gone through their web pages for days and can find NO answer to what will happen to all of these animals. Particularly farmed animals. I would easily agree that many farming practices could be improved for the animals and that they should be focused on.

      To desex them gives no right to their offspring to have any life at all and for them to be mothers.

Sheep and many farm animals have little to no defence from preditators so letting them loose would be vastly more cruel a death than is practised in real life at present. If they were to be somehow kept safely as they are at present and there is no economic reason to keep them, who pays and how can they be kept?

Then perhaps and most likely huge numbers will have to be slaughtered. Are the proponents willing to do it or hide away and just pay for it? That may be possible because a common theme on all of their websites  is DONATE DONATE DONATE. They also promote that pets should not be allowed to be kept . A trip to Bali where something similar to this type of thinking would show how cruel it is. The dogs are mostly not owned and they are thin and bony and starving and full of mange.

I have cows and dogs and trust me the love goes both ways and THEY DO NOT AS THEY SUGGEST and to quote just one- " The life of the average farmed animal is filled with pain, suffering, loss, sickness, crowding, surgical mutilations without pain relief, filth, lameness, loneliness and premature death".

The average statements shows me that most of these people have NEVER had any thing to do with raising animals.

Because I love animals I would ask if it is possible that the forum here would consider perhaps as one of the largest group of leather workers in the world that FACEBOOK would make their position clearer as to whether leather products are acceptable or not on their platform??? I do not want any extremist groups able to get further traction that is possible at the moment. If they are in or out is all we need to have clarity on.

 

[mikesc]

I agree with you absolutely re animals.. I grew up on a small farm ( when in Ireland ) and have always had animals around.PETA and many others , whilst starting out "well meaning" do not think things through at all.There was ( a few years ago ) a verified story which "leaked" from within PETA, which documented how many healthy animals that they had "rescued" were then killed by their vets, "to save them suffering".

Curious, I'm wondering if the problem you ( and others ) are having with facebook might be down to the use of shoppify ? Could it be that facebook are trying to push their own system , if they have one ? Or if they are working on a system of "facebook shops" ?

If it is "bots" responsible at facebook, I'm amazed that they have not picked up all the pages that have leather in their title, some members here have facebook pages, Instagram pages etc, instead of ( or in addition to ) websites, with the word "leather" extremely prominent ( and images of their leather products ) multiple times, on those pages.A "bot" system running a ( simplified description to demonstrate ) "if word leather is found suspend page issue notice , or flag for human review" ) would get all instances in under 24 hours.. Whereas if it is only "3rd party" shopping systems with "hooks" into facebook , that are being searched for in the "bot "algo" parameters"..it would explain why you and others are being told "no" when many tens of millions of pages are untouched and up with no problems ?

[robs456]

5 hours ago, mikesc said:

.it would explain why you and others are being told "no" when many tens of millions of pages are untouched and up with no problems ?

Nah, I'm just starting a Shopify store connected to FB markets and run ads via FB too and I have no problems. I would guess it's someone in the local FB office that is a militant vegan or it's 'cos of 'exotics' mentioned or something.
 

[mikesc]

Yep.. that was one of my thoughts in a previous post.. "someone got out of bed on the wrong side"..
But, given the way "reach" at facebook is "pay more" ( buy ads ) to reach "fewer and fewer", it won't be long before they do a "google" and integrate vertically like G do with things like amp..I can see facebook eventually offering a, "host your shop on facebook" for X per month, and for Y ( ad spend ) you get to be in W ( number of people's feeds) and we facebook ( with the integrated shopping cart ) will only take Z percentage of your sales.

Sort of Etsy on steroids.

In order to keep Wall st happy with ever increasing quarterly figures, the big dogs of the web are all looking to squeeze the last cent out of anyone..and to track everyone to sell the "ultra targeted ads " myth to advertisers..Yes they can target very precisely, but that involves breaking some laws, for the moment they are finding that even fines in the billions are worth the cost of doing business, but that may well change.

PETA ( and similar "single issue groups" of all types, not just the leather is bad ones ) have large ad budgets, and very vocal celebrity endorsers in many cases.

"Squeaky wheels"..will get the "oil / influence / policies"..especially if they can also get donations from the "hard of thinking" ( which never forget, is at least 50% of the population everywhere, the movie Idiocracy is fast looking like a prescient documentary coming true around us ) to pay for their "oil / influence / policies"..

Edited May 6, 2019 by mikesc

[robs456]

7 minutes ago, mikesc said:

Squeaky wheels..especially if they can also get donations from the "hard of thinking" to pay for oil..

At least only humans have to die for oil...and dinosaurs...