A new machine?

[chrisash]

Motors off the machine give you far more flexibility for the future if you need to get a new one rather than  a built in version

[toxo]

3 hours ago, Constabulary said:

also - do you notice the beeeeeeeep sound while he is sewing? It comes from the motor - I had one of these "beeeper" servo motors and I found it totally annoying and sold the motor. I could not stand it on longer projects. back then seller said it will disappear - but it did not! So check what motor you will have on the machine.

I had to have another look Folker. I never noticed it before but I can see where it would annoy. I wonder if they're all the same? Is it definitely the motor and not the machine? If it's the motor there may be a £130 discount for a machine sans motor and a call to College machines!

[toxo]

1 hour ago, chrisash said:

Motors off the machine give you far more flexibility for the future if you need to get a new one rather than  a built in version

Absolutely Chris. And I don't want to lose the ability to put a bigger pulley on the hand wheel. Harry has speed reduction pulleys on that machine in the video.

[toxo]

Another twist.

Just spoke to Maury in London. He has a Durkopp 269 and a Adler 069. After a quick search I found this Adler 069 on ebay which is probably the same one.

Waiting for pics of both.

Pros and cons please over the tysew?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/durkopp-adler-069-Walking-Foot/223580347023

[toxo]

More news.

Apparently the Tysew I've been looking at is a copy of the Juki DSC 245. It's the same as the Wimsew 245 and the Japsew DSC 245. He has a Japsew in the shop at the moment. I'll take a trip to JT Batchelor early next week and call in to take a look at these machines.

Matt. if you want that cuppa  why not meet up there?

[Matt S]

9 hours ago, Constabulary said:

also - do you notice the beeeeeeeep sound while he is sewing? It comes from the motor - I had one of these "beeeper" servo motors and I found it totally annoying and sold the motor. I could not stand it on longer projects. back then seller said it will disappear - but it did not! So check what motor you will have on the machine.

 

5 hours ago, toxo said:

I had to have another look Folker. I never noticed it before but I can see where it would annoy. I wonder if they're all the same? Is it definitely the motor and not the machine? If it's the motor there may be a £130 discount for a machine sans motor and a call to College machines!

That was the servo that Wimsew used to supply with their machines. I had one, and it beeped. No speed limiter or provision for EPS/NPS either. They now supply Jack servos with their machines IIRC.

4 hours ago, toxo said:

Just spoke to Maury in London. He has a Durkopp 269 and a Adler 069. After a quick search I found this Adler 069 on ebay which is probably the same one.

Pros and cons please over the tysew?

Adler 69 is pretty much a Pfaff 335 -- small cylinder with 2-motion/oscillating feed dogs and relatively small H-size bobbin. Adler 269 is more of a Singer 153/Seiko CW8/Cowboy 227 -- a larger 75mm nose with larger M-type bobbins and a 4-motion/elliptical feed. You'll likely have about a 7mm distance from the end of the arm to the needle with both of these, unless they're some special subclass or modification. The 69 will probably top out at TKT40/V69 thread and the 269 TXT20/V138 thread, but both can probably go up another size in the needle, or maybe top and bottom with a timing tweak. You'll probably get about about 9-10mm sewing capacity in the 269, and a few mm less in the 69.

You can see scans of the original brochures for these machines here:
http://www.duerkopp-adler.com/commons/download/download-text-attachments/Vintage_Leaflets_Adler/Leaflets_Adler_Class_69.pdf
http://www.duerkopp-adler.com/commons/download/download-text-attachments/Vintage_Leaflets_Adler/Leaflets_Adler_class_269.pdf

One advantage that these have over the Tysew, Typical and Global machines is that they were German made. German engineering speaks for itself. Quality of manufacture in a sewing machine leads to less noise/vibration in use, less "walking out" of settings, easier accessory compatibility, easier adjustment and less chance for parts to bend, break or strip screw threads.

2 hours ago, toxo said:

Apparently the Tysew I've been looking at is a copy of the Juki DSC 245. It's the same as the Wimsew 245 and the Japsew DSC 245. He has a Japsew in the shop at the moment. I'll take a trip to JT Batchelor early next week and call in to take a look at these machines.

Matt. if you want that cuppa  why not meet up there?

I had a Wimsew W246 for a while. It's definitely an improvement in features over a 335-type machine, in that it has a small 50mm nose but a larger M-size bobbin, a 4-motion/elliptical feed dog and is happy with TKT20/V138 thread. On a real Juki I'm sure it works excellently but the example I had (which had been much abused by a previous owner) certainly wasn't up to Juki quality. Perhaps I got a lemon, perhaps the the water and welding spark damage the previous owner did to it tipped it over the edge, perhaps they improved their quality since. However it's not something that I want to invest my money or remaining sanity into any time soon.

Yes let's meet up and visit Maury. I need to go to Batchelor's next week anyway. I'll PM you my number tonight.

[Silverd]

What bobbin type (L or M) does the 335 use?

 

Silverd

[Constabulary]

Pfaff 335 came with different size hooks, the new type is using larger bobbins. I think both have approx 22mm diameter but the new bobbins are a bit higher by afaik 3-4mm or so.

So I think neither L nor M - rather G I´d say but not 100% sure of the exact type

[Matt S]

According to Threadexchange the 335 takes a H bobbin. I assume that's the older/smaller hook version.