light duty cylinder arm machine

[Treesner]

10 hours ago, RockyAussie said:

Awhile ago I would have fully agreed with @kgg but something we came up with recently for these machines really does change this a LOT. Here is a video I did on it

While you are there check out the videos I have done on the CB6900 which is a really great machine to start off with in my opinion.

I'm not seeing the price on the cb6900 

https://www.cowboysew.com/6900-best-sewing-machine-for-making-leather-bags.htm

you think this machine is best for all around thin and thick work? 

[kgg]

I think Cowboy renamed it in the US as the CB 341 ( https://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb341.html ) clone of the Juki LS-341 for $2395 US. The clone model numbering system can get confusing at times.

kgg

31 minutes ago, Treesner said:

I'm not seeing the price on the cb6900 

I think Cowboy renamed it in the US as the CB 341 ( https://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb341.html ) clone of the Juki LS-341 for $2395 US. The clone model numbering system can get confusing at times.

kgg

[dikman]

Brian, that is very impressive! What size thread is that? You got more details - price, availability etc? I don't really need one but that's never stopped me before.

[Treesner]

recommendation and pricing from artisan 

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I'll be sewing patches on hats, patching pants, modifying/prototyping small cordura bags/webbing, 

most commonly sewing two pieces pre finished veg tanned leather thats about 3/16" total 

occasionally sewing thicker raw (harder) veg tanned leather 

using thread size 69 due to my limitation but would like to go thicker 

 

I'll want to get the drops down guide and platform with the cylinder machine it to use it as an all around machine until I get a second flat bed machine that's a little better for small cordura/webbing/velcro/zipper bags

"

 

The Artisan 2618-1B is best suited for the range of your sewing needs.

 

The light medium to medium heavy material or leather. i.e. cordura, webbing.

       -  No light weight material. i.e. chiffon, silks, lace, dress shirt linen. -

Patching pants, modifying and prototyping.

Thread range - Bonded nylon or polyester - size 33 (tex-35) up to 207 (tex-210)

Total layers and thickness (3/16") is well under the 7/16" maximum thickness.

 

The only thing we have questions on is the raw harder leather (veg tanned).

If the veg tanned leather is very dense and thick (7-10 oz.), the machine might

struggle with 2-3 layers of it, not producing good quality stitches or worst case,

thread bunching. Leather types like heavy saddle bags, skirting, harness reins

not recommended. Thread tension and or mechanical adjustment will be needed

to produce good quality stitches for these types of leathers or goods.

 

Artisan 2618-1B with 'U' table setup complete @ $2305.00

Flip down/up roller edge guide @ $90.00

Work platform 2618 @ $100.00

 

Shipping to your residential address with delivery liftgate service @ $295.00

Colfax, California sales tax is 7.25% 

 

$2495.00  Subtotal

$295.00    Freight

$180.89    Sales Tax

 

$2970.89  Total

 

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However I found there store is only about 2.5 hours from me so I could probably get around the freight and make a trip leaving me at $2675 for machine, platform, guide 

 

So it's right about the same as a shipped cobra 26: 
Cobra 26 shipped $2600
With platform and guide
https://industrialsewingmachineman.com/machines/mach.asp?dir=sewmach&brand=Cobra&Model=Class+26&ProductType=Industrial+Straight+Stitch+Machines

Cobra 26 $2500 + 300 shipping: 2,740
-with platform and drop down guide
https://www.aldenleathersupply.com/collections/machines/products/cobra-class-26?variant=31699241336878

alternatively I could maybe import a used 1341 for around 2400-3,000 and do a motor swap to 110v (not sure cost on that)

Cowboy CB341 $3025
https://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb341.html 
2395.00+ 95 removable flat bed, adjustable pedestal $150, drop down guide, probably 90, shipping probably 295

Thoughts on what to go with ? 
since artisan is within 3 hours I imagine that might be the best bet for future fixing?

Edited October 26, 2021 by Treesner

[RockyAussie]

1 hour ago, kgg said:

I think Cowboy renamed it in the US as the CB 341 ( https://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb341.html ) clone of the Juki LS-341 for $2395 US. The clone model numbering system can get confusing at times.

kgg

I think Cowboy renamed it in the US as the CB 341 ( https://www.tolindsewmach.com/cb341.html ) clone of the Juki LS-341 for $2395 US. The clone model numbering system can get confusing at times.

kgg

Similar looking but The CB 341 does not have the same capacities as the CB6900 -When I get a bit of work done here I will come back with some more info but here is a link to study for now - https://www.cowboysew.com/heavy-duty-cylinder-bed-sewing-machine.htm

[RockyAussie]

10 hours ago, MtlBiker said:

Rocky, please forgive a question from a relative newbie...  What exactly are you showing that you're calling a "game changer"? 

I will try and get back to this tonight as it does give a whole lot of advantages to a machine that was only good on heavy gage work mostly.

[kgg]

1 hour ago, Treesner said:

Patching pants, modifying and prototyping.

This comment you receive from Artisan is confusing to me. Trying to sew a patch on a pants leg particularly around the knee area using a cylinder bed is going to be a real chore. I think, a better choice of machine for sewing patches whether on pants or hats, which they didn't directly address, would be a patcher like a Singer 29K or a similar clone.

1 hour ago, Treesner said:

I'll be sewing patches on hats, patching pants, modifying/prototyping small cordura bags/webbing, 

most commonly sewing two pieces pre finished veg tanned leather thats about 3/16" total 

occasionally sewing thicker raw (harder) veg tanned leather 

using thread size 69 due to my limitation but would like to go thicker 

I think your primary of requirements of hat patches and patching pants is more suited to a patcher machine where you can change the direction of the stitch simply by turning the direction of the the pressor foot. So doing a stitch around a patch is much simpler to do.  You didn't mention which Sailrite machine you have.

Investing in a cylinder machine may not be the overall best / correct machine for your stuff. I still would recommend visiting a dealer with samples of what you want to sew and try a patcher, a cylinder bed and a flatbed machine to see what works best for the majority of your stuff. As the investment is substantial, you and your pocket book would really hate it if you got the wrong machine for your needs.

51 minutes ago, RockyAussie said:

Similar looking but The CB 341 does not have the same capacities as the CB6900

I took the information from a previous reply from Cowboy Bob in the topic called "Opinions on Cowboy CB6900" I probably misinterpreted his comment " Uwe,to confuse you more,we call it 1341 here in the US ....".

[Arturomex]

The Cowboy 6900 and Techsew 4800 are clones of the Juki LS1342.

I have the Techsew and I'm very happy with it. Brian knows a lot more about these machines than I do and I'm sure he can tell you much more.

Regards,

Arturo

 

 

[Spyros]

It freaks me out when I see people sewing perfect straight lines on a machine without any sort of guide

I know you get better with practice, and Brian has probably stitched a few thousand miles in his lifetime :D

[Handstitched]

4 hours ago, Spyros said:

It freaks me out when I see people sewing perfect straight lines on a machine without any sort of guide

Had my Juki clone since 2005, I bought an adjustable guide to go with it, but in the whole time I've had it, never used it . I just use the edge of the foot as a guide.....and my eyes   

HS