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Where about's in Canada? I know a few places in Alberta.

Campbell-Randall has some listed: http://www.campbell-...y&path=49_82_88 These guys list a manual for one, perhaps they have parts? http://www.proleptic.net/products/search

Can't help you with pricing, but being a fan of big calibre African guns please be sure to post the results! Is it for a double rifle? If so, the trend is 2 cartridges, with room to grasp them with a finger in-between, so you can shove them into the two tubes easyly and quickly, and space between each set of two. Galco makes a lot of smaller ammo carriers for Double rifles and large bore calibres, you could check out there prices for there smaller gear, and get an idea of what to charge for a full belt. They don't make a full belt that I'm aware of but give you an idea of pricing for something that holds a few rounds Keep in mind when hunting game that can very well hunt kill you, the bullets better be easy to get at, and pull out cleanly, and at the same time, be secure. Here's some of the Galco ones I have (before I was into stitching, and these are stock photo's, not mine)

Just got back from a friends house, tried out his Cobra 4 with Servo motor, have to say, that's a sweet machine!

What kind of servo motor(s)? Chinese or other "premium brand"? I'm interested because I'm about to order mine. Based on recent threads and research, I settled on an Efka...(Efka 1550)

Some more pictures for Al, I had no idea it came apart learn so much on this forum:

Al, Wow, thanks for the response, that's very helpful! The machines must share a very similar bobbin as mine seems to fit perfectly in the Pearson's bobbin winder. I found your website but wasn't able to download the Pearson manual's you have linked just FYI the links don't work. Thanks for the info, PM replied.

Because we just acquired a Randall harness machine, I've been feverishly absorbing information about them. I'm a visual learning so the DVD that Dan from Campbell sent me was a great help, and there youtube video's for threading helped me get the machine up and stitching for the first time. I literally stumbled across this YouTube video the other day, it shows what Wiz is talking about with the sound, and shows the control and finesse the machine seems to have (I'm not quite there yet with mine ) Thought I'd share, this seemed as good of thread as any:

When we purchased our Randall harness stitcher, it came with this (antique?) bobbin winder. (EDIT, no, I have no idea what the yellow/gold thread is in the background, it came with, it burns, not melts, so I think cotton?) (Yes, I know Campbell-Randall sells a really scookum powered winder, its on my wish list ) I'm 99% sure its what the fellow before us used it to wind bobbins, as it was oiled and in a good, usable state, but since he's passed, no chance of asking him. So, I **think** there are two ways of threading it, but, never having seen or used one before, I could be way out to lunch. I think it can be threaded both through the wax pot, for waxing your thread, and above it, for pre-lubricated thread, again, all guesses on my part. Second, I have no idea if I'm doing it right, so I'll start with what I know works, and I'm hoping someone can push me in the right direction of if I'm missing any parts on it, steps, threading, etc. Your wildest guess's, experienced advice, its all more than I know about it: So here's what I know: If you have 2 people, it winds really nice, see, one person cranks the handle, and holds the "thread guide" that goes back and forth to be sure it lays the thread on evenly (it does for the most part, the the thread guide helps keep it from piling up), the second person, is needed to apply tension, if you have someone holding the thread with some authority, it winds beutifully, but I can't imagine its designed to need 2 people to wind bobbins, so I think I'm missing how its supposed to have tension by itself (I haven't mounted it to anything until I get it figured) Here's an example of the nice, tight, even winding if you have someone holding the thread back, looks good yes? Here's the bobbin winder itself, it looks rough, but its just wax dripped all over, I seen no reason to remove it, as it doesn't hurt it, gives it that patina, and protects it from rust: Here's how I've wound it with 346 bonded nylon (with my wife as the elected human tensioner ): And here's how I assume its supposed to be wound with wax if you were going that route (note the nail like looking thing that I assume dips it down into the wax: Anyway, I have the thread spool just sitting on the floor, that's part of the issue, because I'm not sure what I'm missing, what would, or should have if its missing, provided the tension? I see inside the wax pot , right at the front, there are 3 metal blocks that appear to be tensioners, but the screw that goes the side only spreads the blocks it seems, and I can't get the middle block to budge to provide any front tension whatsoever. Questions: Is there something missing from that pin that sticks straight up the top (vertically)? Perhaps a disk style thread tensioner? Am I totally out to lunch with my threading? (mostly interested in non-waxed threading for now) Where is the spool supposed to sit? The pin that sticks out horizontally at the back, with the hole in the middle, is that for the thread to go though? Or would something have slide over? Do I just need to make a board to mount it to, add a disk style adjustable tensioner, and call it that? Sorry for all the questions, yes, Its usable now, and yes, I should/will pony up for the newer style, either the powered or the run off the belt style, but I'm curious as to how this one worked. IF I wrap the thread around the horizontal bar once, and the vertical bar once, it provides what seems to be the right amount of tension, and one person can wind a bobbin, however, being as there is no wear on either, I assume that's not how the previous owner did it, and its not the proper way. Also, if I walk it over to the other machine that has a disk tensioner "runs off the belt" style, and just use the disk tensioner, it winds fine as well, so it only seems to need that extra bit of tension, but there's nothing on it that provides it, was there something else that went along with? I've google imaged searched for pictures, I've patent searched, nothing, so, here I am. -Trev

From Wiz's website: Not sure if that's what your looking for, but that...that is some nice decorative stitching right there!

Beautiful work. I love the stitching.

Thanks guys. After seeing the pictures my wife tells me she "needs" one.

Looks great, I carry both in separate commercial pouch's and I like this idea much better.

Matt, Thank you very much. That is exactly what I was wondering. Many thanks. -trev

Cool. Learn something new everyday. Time to chew up some leather and practice practice practice with the clutch motor.

Hmm, I don't think its a clutch motor, he emphasizes that "heel down" stops the machine with the foot up, needle down. He seems to indicate that this is a function of his Pro 2000, granted he could be highly skilled and able to always heel down at the right time and stop it with the needle down, but I feel its a function of the machine, to do that, it would need to know the needle position would it not? Or do you think heel down is just applying the brake? Never thought of that until just now.... Certainly not arguing the point, I'm not that skilled with a clutch motor yet, need more practice! Again, I'm new to this gig so learning as I go.

Thanks Art. Would that be the "DC60" ? as found here: http://www.efka.net/...ile-EN-DC60.htm (control box exploded diagram shown)

It's very neat. I've only recently been introduced to industrial machines, all mine have clutch motors, that's what they came with and I don't see a reason to switch them out just because. But when I was watching the John Bianchi video, and he reached over and switch the machine on, I couldn't believe how quiet it was! Sure before I had my machine I had read all about Clutch motors, Servo motors, and the likes, and know the advantages vs disadvantages etc, but was really intrigued after seeing it in action. I may have to pick one up just to play with.

I've seen some when researching motors, most I've seen have the attachment at the handwheel like this one: Definatly a nice setup, I was just curious what motor he would have had back then (I think the video says 1997(ish) ) that would have had that tech. Sure it cost a pretty penny back then too.

Before we even owned a heavy stitcher, heck, before I even knew what a heavy stitcher was, I purchased John Bianchi's "The Art and Secrets of Advanced Western Holster Making" (link). I've had them for over a year but haven't watched them until last night. In the video's, at least the first one (still watching the others) he uses a "Juki Ferdco Pro 2000", but, what I find interesting, is the motor. It appears to be a Servo motor with some kind of positioning system on it. I've quiz'd Wiz on this already, and that's the direction he leaned me in. Now I'm not in the market for a new machine, My wife and I have acquired 3 heavy stitcher's already, and I know that later in life, John Bianchi was promoting or endorsing the Cobra Class 4, that's not what I'm posting this for. Its also not another "which 441 clone is better now-a-days" thread, but rather, just a discussion thread on (IMHO) a Legendary man, and the machine he uses in the video's. I'm data mining for info on this machine if you will For the sake of history and sheer curiosity if nothing else. As far as I can tell, the machine is a 1991-1995 Juki Ferdco Pro 2000, from when they were built on Juki frames, based on this info I found on Ferdco's website: Thus, I'm assuming its from that era. So, does anyone know what motor is running this machine? Any more info about the machine? Anyone know what happened to it?

Never seen one before, but reminds me of a horse trimmer blade:

There is a Tippmann Boss on Kijiji close to me for $850 if your interested in that sort of thing, few holster guys use them and from what I've read, for a step up from hand stitching they are pretty good.

Is there any plastic on that machine? The machine I used brake cleaner on had NO plastic, brake cleaner can make plastic soft, and it WILL fog clear plastic (oil sight windows, etc). If you do use brake cleaner, follow the instructions, use in a well ventilated area, wear safety googles (this stuff isn't good for the eyes, trust me), no open flames, and I used an air hose to accelerate the evaporation and blow away the big chunks. Immediatly followed by fresh, clean oiling all metal surfaces to ensure no moisture got in the pores.

Yes, I use G96 as well, but I wanted to use genuine industrial machine oil for this project, maybe my next one I'll try the CLP or G96. I can post up some pictures now that the top is done and the machine is all cleaned up, should I do that here or in another thread?

These items came with the Randall harness stitcher we purchased. They were sitting in the bottom of the table. I believe them to be some sort of clutch (there are 2 different ones, hard to tell, but one has a larger "cage" on the side). Also, found this blade in one of the drawers. I've googled the company history for the blade, pretty interesting. Not sure what it would have been used for in a saddle shop. Excuse my pencil prop, its all I could find close that would prop them up for photo's Just thought I'd share.