8thsinner....uh..ok, but its my first attempt at aussie style braiding and i was just messing around with lace cut from scrap and because of the differences in quality from one strand to the next i got some twist in my pattern...so its not pretty...but it was an excellent learning tool, i designed the pattern myself rather than using the predone ones on deadringers site...i figured id learn it better if i just jumped into the whole thing. i post pics when i get it done.