Recommend a permanent low sheen sealer

[jasonsmith]

30 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said:

You know folks on the forum here don't sit around wasting their day trying to answer questions just so they can mislead people. You asked the question and that man with much more knowledge and experience tried to help you.

 What's really silly on your part is you've never used it, never even heard of it being used but you have a negative opinion based on ???? 

Any acrylic sealer will crack if used improperly and as well most of us sell pieces, your not different by any means nor will your products be, but your right you can use anything you want its your money friend or your customers more likely, you can charge more for your work to cover the cost of buying at a hobby shop.

What exactly is your issue? I asked for suggestions on satin sealers, specifically sealers sold at leather shops. Someone responded suggesting I use floor sealer. I responded politely that I wasn't interested in using floor sealer, but was going to stick with traditional sealers sold at leather shops.

Why do you think I'm obligated to go to the store, buy floor sealer, and smear it on a piece of $25 leather to check out? Why is it silly that I've never used floor sealer on a piece of leather? My position is people can use whatever they want. Are you sponsored by Mop and Glo? Sounds like gatekeeping.

Edited December 6, 2023 by jasonsmith

[jasonsmith]

18 minutes ago, tsunkasapa said:

And copping an attitude gets you put on the 'Ignore' list. These people have a couple hundred years combined experience. When you ask folks a question maybe listen to what they tell you.

And for the record, I don't know of ANYTHING that is 'forever' like you are looking for.

What attitude? I appreciate suggestions, but my obligation is to decide for myself. I politely declined using a floor sealer on my leather as I am going to stick with traditional sealers made for the purpose. Then a couple of other people decided to wreck my thread stopping by just to criticize me because I declined to buy Mop and Glo and pour it on an expensive piece of leather. Sounds like gatekeeping. People can use whatever they want.

I don't get upset if someone decides not to use a product that I think is the correct one to use. This is like someone getting upset because I use Feibing's Pro Oil dye instead of vinegroon for my black. I just don't see the point in trying to brow beat me into buying Mop and Glo. Is it a sponsor of the forum? I know some forums like to gatekeep on what products you use to those that are sponsors of the forum.

[chuck123wapati]

8 minutes ago, jasonsmith said:

 

Why do you think I'm obligated to go to the store, buy floor sealer, and smear it on a piece of $25 leather to check out? Why is it silly that I've never used floor sealer on a piece of leather? My position is people can use whatever they want. Are you sponsored by Mop and Glo? Sounds like gatekeeping.

 

Your not silly because you haven't "smeared" floor sealer on leather, your silly because you don't know shit about it but you blew it off. 

I used silly as way to be nice, because i wanted to say your really ignorant about acrylics in general not just leather sealers and your showing your ignorance to everyone here. I really don't give a crap what you smear on your leather.

I also said don't waste peoples time, if you don't want a answer don't ask a question, search the forum most of us trying to make a living too. 

[jasonsmith]

17 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said:

 

Your not silly because you haven't "smeared" floor sealer on leather, your silly because you don't know shit about it but you blew it off. 

I used silly as way to be nice, because i wanted to say your really ignorant about acrylics in general not just leather sealers and your showing your ignorance to everyone here. I really don't give a crap what you smear on your leather.

I also said don't waste peoples time, if you don't want a answer don't ask a question, search the forum most of us trying to make a living too. 

You came into my thread, not to add to the discussion, but just to lob insults at me because you are upset because you saw that I declined to use an alternative product that you appear to be passionate about. I see the same thing in auto forums regarding people getting upset because they see someone decide not to use their favorite motor oil. So weird.

And my "ignorance" as you call it is one reason why I'd want to stick with traditional leather products instead of venturing off into using house products. You can use whatever you want to seal leather, just stop pouring it on your pancakes.

Edited December 6, 2023 by jasonsmith

[bladegrinder]

I’ve never tried mop and glow only because if I didn’t like it that would mean I’d have to mop a floor, and that ain’t happening. I know a lot of people do use it and are happy with the results, I’ve heard of using it 15-20 years ago.

[Doc Reaper]

Jasonsmith you have been a member for 3 years and a couple of day, stop what you are doing with the tude, step back and let a couple of GOOD FRIENDS tell you how this request for knowledge went sideways. 

 I've been doing leather for 52 years and I would always buy my supplies at a leather shop. My dogs got hold of my belt hole template and I needed a new one, Tandy had em for $48 and the hour drive there was way out of what I was willing to spend. So I made one out of an old 6X6 cedar post, which also made 2 tool holders and it just cost my time to make these items. Then I made half round cutters in various diameters. I started mixing different color dies just to see the outcome. I've used wood stain to dye leather a medium to light medium brown. 

Just because you don't want to move outside of your comfort is the same reason some of your work won't improve. It's like voting in the village idiot and expecting him to do better than he did his entire life, even when it's pointed out that idiot is a puppet the folks that think he got in by his own merits won't listen to facts and get mad at those who point out the obvious!

go to a dollar general, get a small bottle of mop and glow and start experimenting with different dilutions, use scrap leather to test the outcomes! Start with one ounce substance to one ounce water, if you want less add an extra half ounce. If it's not enough of what you want to accomplish add half an ounce of substance. Hell I think black dye is expensive so I'm playing with vinegar and iron until I'm satisfied with the color! 
Now go blow your nose and apologize for being an ass to Chuck! Also stop voting blue! 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Doc Reaper
Grammer and backhanded insults

[jasonsmith]

2 hours ago, Doc Reaper said:

Jasonsmith you have been a member for 3 years and a couple of day, stop what you are doing with the tude, step back and let a couple of GOOD FRIENDS tell you how this request for knowledge went sideways. 

 I've been doing leather for 52 years and I would always buy my supplies at a leather shop. My dogs got hold of my belt hole template and I needed a new one, Tandy had em for $48 and the hour drive there was way out of what I was willing to spend. So I made one out of an old 6X6 cedar post, which also made 2 tool holders and it just cost my time to make these items. Then I made half round cutters in various diameters. I started mixing different color dies just to see the outcome. I've used wood stain to dye leather a medium to light medium brown. 

Just because you don't want to move outside of your comfort is the same reason some of your work won't improve. It's like voting in the village idiot and expecting him to do better than he did his entire life, even when it's pointed out that idiot is a puppet the folks that think he got in by his own merits won't listen to facts and get mad at those who point out the obvious!

go to a dollar general, get a small bottle of mop and glow and start experimenting with different dilutions, use scrap leather to test the outcomes! Start with one ounce substance to one ounce water, if you want less add an extra half ounce. If it's not enough of what you want to accomplish add half an ounce of substance. Hell I think black dye is expensive so I'm playing with vinegar and iron until I'm satisfied with the color! 
Now go blow your nose and apologize for being an ass to Chuck! Also stop voting blue! 

I've been a member for 13 years. I've not been an "ass" to anyone. I'm the one who started this thread. I'm not using Mop and Glo, never will. I've already got a new bottle of Eco Flo Satin sheen that I'll be using unless I come across another true satin sheen sealer when I order more dye.

[fredk]

If you mix a small amount of talcum powder into the sealer it reduces the shine. eg, in a satin sealer it makes it more matt. By how much talc you put in you can control just how much a satin finish  you end up with

[SUP]

Hey @DocReaper I vote blue! why am I being offended here? Hmm?

But the rest, the issue @jasonsmith is more that there is no need to be rude.  Everyone here has their own way of doing things and disagree every so often. We communicate in a friendly, polite way, not like  recalcitrant teenagers. You don't have to do what people suggest here but you don't have to knock the suggestions down the way you did. Most of the people here have decades of experience. I am a newbie too and respect that experience. You should try that sometime.

Back to the topic, @fredk what talc do you use? Any plain talcum powder? Like baby powder? 

 

[chuck123wapati]

5 hours ago, jasonsmith said:

You came into my thread, not to add to the discussion, but just to lob insults at me because you are upset because you saw that I declined to use an alternative product that you appear to be passionate about. I see the same thing in auto forums regarding people getting upset because they see someone decide not to use their favorite motor oil. So weird.

And my "ignorance" as you call it is one reason why I'd want to stick with traditional leather products instead of venturing off into using house products. You can use whatever you want to seal leather, just stop pouring it on your pancakes.

You shut down the discussion with your second comment , re read it, here I'll be glad to re post it for you "  Thanks, but I'm going to stick with traditional leather sealers like Feibing's, Angelus, or Eco-Flo, etc."   

That means no one need offer any more suggestions doesn't it. 

 I came in your thread to try and help you to understand why Dwight said what he said. Acrylic floor wax is a much used and actually quite good sealer in the leather craft world if your to hard headed or just plain stupid to understand that I don't much care. I don't come on here to screw with people or to run them up some bullshit tree neither does anyone else, Dwight tried to help you so did I. Have a great day!!