New Dürkopp Adler 969 And 967 H Type Machines For X Heavy Work

[awharnessshop]

That Adler looks like a step in the right direction for a shop that's big enough to need some automation, but small enough to have to keep the machine versatile! I would love to check one of these out!

[Trox]

Hello Steve, Thanks for showing those old beauties, we both know that quality will never come back to us. Looking good that 43, I too have a 5-27. I use it as an backup machine, its a very nice machine.

Back to todays world of sewing machines. I am not sure of the production site of these new machines. I know they produce several classes in joint operations in China, France and perhaps Italy. They also have a factory in Czech Republic ( Minerva), they produced the big 204/205 machines there and now the new M type there. You know Czech Republic had the world best factories of technical stuff, like guns, tools etc. The best German guns from the WW2 came from there. The Da company still is located in Bilefeld, Germany. I believe they have their quality control there.

I believe DA still have a very strict quality control too. Even when Chinese business mens have bought parts of the company (and control it), its in nobodies interest to ruin the brand. The Chinese's Shanggong group is a holding company that owns several Chinese sewing machine companies, and are the subsidiary owner (with more than 50% of the shares) of the DA group, Pfaff and KSL special machines. The German companies still operates in Germany and follow German laws.

I cannot find any info on where these new H types are produced, I see they use several parts from the M type. I will ask about it when I get more info from Thomas Brinkhoff. I still look upon DA to be a German sewing machine company. I look forward to try this new machine with a electronic hand wheel and integrated new DA motor. It has an impressive capacity, it can sew very thick and still handle delicate operations such in a saddlery. It will sew much thicker material than the Seiko CH-8b who only have 20 mm foot lift (969 H has 30 mm foot lift) and do it much faster too. The machine is currently in exhibitions and soon in the show rooms to try out.

I look forward to it

Tor

[Trox]

By the looks of it its only the new DA 267-373 (made after 2003) and the DA 069 (same as the old 69) of the DA`s heavy machines (triple feeds) who is made in China. Some overlocks and special machines. The rest of the machines made in China are textile machines. All other leather related machines are made of Czech Minerva. This is what it looks like reading their websites anyway. With Pfaff there is an other story I think.

Tor

[Singermania]

HI Tor, no way am I going to remember all that information, but still I really enjoy reading your messages., your knowledge of these machines is fantastic. Did you see I put on the info re the manuals for the Adler 20 series if you dont have them? There seems to be a great variety of leather worker out there. A lot of people I deal with want slow machines like the Pearson no 6, they just wouldn't use anything else, and then others say that they are just too slow and go for the 441s and Adlers and Seikos. When you say these new machines are faster than the Seiko CH-8B I just wonder what sort of work you would be doing to do that speed..... as I would rarely even run a no 6 up to it max speed let alone a Seiko or 441.

There is no doubt in my mind that machines that will sew over the inch (25mm) are in demand, I often have people asking for this ability, I have the Pearsons that will go up to an inch and the Singer 97s that will just top over the inch... all the other older machines that I am aware of.. Champions, Koch, Campbell-Randall, Union Lockstitch and so on wont go beyond about 3/4".

Tor, do you have any contacts for big needles??? in particular the needles for Singer 97 and the Singer 7 class 1000 needle ??

I was told that Beiler's in Pennsylvania did the 97 needle, but I can't find an email address for them.

Regards Steve

[Trox]

Thank you Steve, I too prefer to go slow on my 441 machine. When I talk about speed this is for factory purpose. What the new 967 and 969 H machines will do remains to see, the data's looks very promising. Yes I saw something about the class 7 in that thread, but I am not sure if thats what you meant. Can you direct me to your post please.

I do not use these big needles myself; I think Bob Kowar (Cowboy Bob) might have some 1000 needles in stock. I am not sure, ask him. I got an very nice deal on an Fortuna band knife splitter here two day ago, and got an old Adler class 5-25 on the deal. It was stuck, rusted. I lubricated it with some paraffin (lamp oil) and it turned after a few minutes. It still have some rust inside (I do not know why), I think it have to be soaked in diesel for some days. It turns fine and look very good. Its a top and bottom feed machine.

Regards

Tor

[Singermania]

HI Tor,

Thanks for that, I'll see if I can track down Bob, I've put requests on leather worker a few times for needles though and nobody has replied. I the manuals are for the Adler Durkopp 20 series. Regards STeve

[RoyalLeatherDesigns]

Tor,

When will we know the price of this machine and when will it be available to purchase if youmdont know the exact price yet what do you think these will cost ball park.

Thanks you,

Ralph Garcia

[Trox]

Hello Ralph, I do not know anything more about the new machine yet. They promised to inform me and that have not happen yet.

Thanks

Tor

[Techsew Ron]

An Adler representative showed me these machines at a recent show. Really nice!

[Trox]

Update:

The new Durkopp Adler 967 H flatbed is out for sale in the shops now and the 969 H cylinder bed will follow soon. I have no price yet, but check with your closest DA dealer.

The head of DA spare part, Thomas Brinkhoff warrants me that this machine is entirely made in Europe.

I quote:

"Here are also some comparisons between Durkopp Adler class 204 and the new 967:

Workspace: +65%
Stitch length: +25%
Foot lift: +50%
Material thickness that can be sewn: +30%
Foot stroke: +20%
Bobbin capacity: +70%
Sewing speed: +56%

Further, there are all the new features like automatic lubrication, integrated stitch length adjustment, quick stroke adjustment, thread trimmer with 40mm remaining ends, 2nd pneumatic thread tension, jog-dial hand wheel with power stitch function (Move the machine with your fingertip!), integrated, motor driven bobbin winder, multifunctional operation panel, integrated keypad, integrated LED sewing light and integrated Dürkopp Adler sewing drive and control.

It is a new concept with outstanding features for customers with very difficult and thick materials with highest quality and productivity requirements."

http://www.duerkopp-adler.com/en/main/products/htype/index.html

He hopes nobody will start to compare these new machines with copies of old Adler and Juki machines, he clearly have a point there.

I also tells me the "postbed version will follow in the next months". (I am not sure if it should be the cylinder bed version or not, thats what we all are waiting for anyway).

I be back with more info if and when I have it.

Thanks

Tor