Yet another which machine to buy topic

[shoepatcher]

That machine is a clone of a 1245.  It is not a genuine Pfaff.  Good copy though at least in appearance.   Chinese have done a very good job in a lot of cases of copying  PROVEN genuine machines.  Only test is to sew on it and see how it feels and sews.   the real test is the tolerances and the steel they used in making it.  Genuine Pfaff's are some of the smoothest machines out there even over Adler and Juki's. I have owned a few of each and just bought a new D/A 669 which is a beast.

glenn

[katit]

3 minutes ago, shoepatcher said:

That machine is a clone of a 1245.  It is not a genuine Pfaff.  Good copy though at least in appearance.   Chinese have done a very good job in a lot of cases of copying  PROVEN genuine machines.  Only test is to sew on it and see how it feels and sews.   the real test is the tolerances and the steel they used in making it.  Genuine Pfaff's are some of the smoothest machines out there even over Adler and Juki's. I have owned a few of each and just bought a new D/A 669 which is a beast.

glenn

Glenn, are you sure? Maybe it's some "special order"? Because sticker on a bottom if you make pic little bigger says PFAFF... something on a top

[aroh99]

This is an original Pfaff 1245.  looks like a clone to me. tried to zoom in on the picture you uploaded but cant make out the sticker clearly.

 

[katit]

Here is 2 more pics from seller. He says it is original

But it says Germany and he said China made?

 

 

[brmax]

I would take the red label pfaff and get some thread. 

 

 

Good day

Floyd

[Matt S]

I believe that the CE mark indicates "China Export". Perhaps, as happens quite frequently these days, Pfaff designs the machines in Germany (where its headquarters are) but has them manufactured in China. That would explain how it's a German machine made in China.

That's not to knock on Pfaff machines, they have a great reputation, though I've never used one.

[katit]

From what I gathered all new PFAFF machines made in China. Of course I might be wrong but.. My rationale is that since they keep prices up and since China definitely capable of producing quality stuff - chances are this machine is just as good. At least for my use case.

[garypl]

1 hour ago, katit said:

Here is 2 more pics from seller. He says it is original

But it says Germany and he said China made?

 

 

 

The CE Mark is actually the European equivalent of UL in the USA.  Means the product complies with CE standards.

Gary

[JJN]

CE marking is a certification mark that indicates conformity with health, safety, and environmental protection standards for products sold within the European Economic Area. The CE marking is also found on products sold outside the EEA that are manufactured in, or designed to be sold in, the EEA.

[Matt S]

26 minutes ago, garypl said:

The CE Mark is actually the European equivalent of UL in the USA.  Means the product complies with CE standards.

There are two CE marks. One indicates as you say. The other, which is almost identical apart from the spacing, is used arbitrarily by certain Chinese manufacturers whose products do not meet, let alone have been certified as meeting, the relevant EU regulations. Their motivation for doing so can only be conjectured but I have my suspicions.

Pfaff is a respectable brand and I trust that their CE certification is genuine. Having now reminded myself the distinction between the genuine marks and the suspect ones I'll retract my previous comment; the CE mark on that machine sticker does not indicate that it's Chinese-made.