CFM chuck123wapati Posted October 11, 2019 CFM Report Posted October 11, 2019 Just wondering what the thoughts are on "handmade" . Is sewn on machine considered handmade or does it disqualify the item since most factory made stuff is sewn on a machine. How about machine cut. What are the parameters for calling your work handmade? Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members paloma Posted October 11, 2019 Members Report Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said: Just wondering what the thoughts are on "handmade" . Is sewn on machine considered handmade or does it disqualify the item since most factory made stuff is sewn on a machine. How about machine cut. What are the parameters for calling your work handmade? Easy, made with your hands only. If i use a sewing machine to sew i can t tell hand stitched. Edited October 11, 2019 by paloma Quote time does not respect what is done without it https://tradisign.blogspot.com https://www.instagram.com/tradisign/
CFM chuck123wapati Posted October 11, 2019 Author CFM Report Posted October 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, paloma said: Easy, made with your hands only. you mean hand tools only? That's my opinion also but have talked to some who disagree and cite some grey areas for example a non motorized sewing machine or clicker press? Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Contributing Member LatigoAmigo Posted October 11, 2019 Contributing Member Report Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, chuck123wapati said: What are the parameters for calling your work handmade? Big question, because most leather is made in a tannery using machines. So, if the leather itself is not "handmade" does that mean, no matter what process is used to make items from that leather, that they cannot be considered handmade? Just a thought. Quote
Members chrisash Posted October 11, 2019 Members Report Posted October 11, 2019 I would suggest in this modern age it would be described as " something you made from the basic to a finished product" meaning in our area, from leather and various components to a finished product Quote Mi omputer is ot ood at speeling , it's not me
CFM chuck123wapati Posted October 11, 2019 Author CFM Report Posted October 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, LatigoAmigo said: Big question, because most leather is made in a tannery using machines. So, if the leather itself is not "handmade" does that mean, no matter what process is used to make items from that leather, that they cannot be considered handmade? Just a thought. so then I would also have to make my hand tools, thread etc. ? Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members Tugadude Posted October 11, 2019 Members Report Posted October 11, 2019 Question has been tossed about in many threads. Handmade can mean different things to different people but you asked what it means to us. I think it means something that is made by someone mainly without use of high-production machinery. Now that doesn't mean that if you use a motorized slicker it isn't handmade. It also doesn't mean if you use a fileteuse it isn't handmade. It doesn't mean if you cut your leather components out with a clicker it isn't handmade. I doesn't mean if you use an airgun to apply dye and/or sealer it isn't handmade. It doesn't mean that punching holes with a drill press nullifies it as being handmade. But the basic work should be done by hand. Handwork versus automation is a possible definition. Handwork carries with it the notion of being "better" than something that is mass-produced. That doesn't necessarily translate into reality. It depends upon who is doing the handiwork and how good the machines are which produce the mass. Is there a "back story" to your question. Is someone stating that work is handmade and you question it due to their use of machinery. See this link for various opinions. 2 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said: so then I would also have to make my hand tools, thread etc. ? You've uncovered part of the irony of the original question Quote
CFM chuck123wapati Posted October 11, 2019 Author CFM Report Posted October 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, chrisash said: I would suggest in this modern age it would be described as " something you made from the basic to a finished product" meaning in our area, from leather and various components to a finished product Don't factories, or those cheap labor sweat shops do that exact same thing? Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
CFM chuck123wapati Posted October 11, 2019 Author CFM Report Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tugadude said: Question has been tossed about in many threads. Handmade can mean different things to different people but you asked what it means to us. I think it means something that is made by someone mainly without use of high-production machinery. Now that doesn't mean that if you use a motorized slicker it isn't handmade. It also doesn't mean if you use a fileteuse it isn't handmade. It doesn't mean if you cut your leather components out with a clicker it isn't handmade. I doesn't mean if you use an airgun to apply dye and/or sealer it isn't handmade. It doesn't mean that punching holes with a drill press nullifies it as being handmade. But the basic work should be done by hand. Handwork versus automation is a possible definition. Handwork carries with it the notion of being "better" than something that is mass-produced. That doesn't necessarily translate into reality. It depends upon who is doing the handiwork and how good the machines are which produce the mass. Is there a "back story" to your question. Is someone stating that work is handmade and you question it due to their use of machinery. See this link for various opinions. You've uncovered part of the irony of the original question No back story at all and no ill intent I don't play those games lol! I want to know what I would consider my products to be and how to compare them to other leather products. I am also curious as it seems to be a very grey area not just in leather work but other crafts as well. You have good points indeed but couldn't all those tools you mentioned be used in a high production setting as well? Thanks for the link. Quote Worked in a prison for 30 years if I aint shiny every time I comment its no big deal, I just don't wave pompoms. “I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people, and I require the same from them.” THE DUKE!
Members robs456 Posted October 11, 2019 Members Report Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) That old thread...an oldie but a goody too. At this moment I consider that if all assembly and decoration was made by hand, it's handmade. Machine cut -OK (but borderline) Machine sewn -Not handmade Laser engraved -Not handmade, maybe 'hand assembled'? Machine edged - OK (But borderline) Edges machine sanded - OK, as long as you control the leather or the machine with your hands Holes drilled - OK Airbrush painted -OK, as long as you hold the airbrush... Machine skived -Not handmade (really but you said?...-Well, just No OK.) etc in absurdum... Many people will disagree with this , especially those that cut and sew by machine but does the rest by hand. To each their own. There might be a 'correct' answer to the question, but the way the leather goods market looks today it doesn't really matter anyway, the customers don't care. Unless it's mommy... Edited October 11, 2019 by robs456 Quote Instagram: rob5leather
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