Black Jack

[Bruce H]

Those Saps are all really cool...Consider a can of wasp spray that shoots 15 ft +...This is a great defender

[chuck123wapati]

6 hours ago, chrisash said:

Hard to see the point, Black Jacks were originally use by someone sneaking up and hitting someone on the head with it, If I was in the US with so many people armed with knives and guns, I would never want to get that close and use a BJ face to face, But then I guess they say about 50% of US citizens are brave enough to go around unarmed

 

2 hours ago, DrmCa said:

What you miss is that good people in the US are under tremendous pressure from the scum of the world sneaking into their country. No other country in this world is overrun by millions of illegal aliens with no concept of law and order from crime-ridden countries. US people are wise to carry and entitled to that.

And slap-jack is a less-than-lethal alternative for keeping the scum of the world in line. Do you prefer them just being shot instead? I would, but you probably don't.

Chris one thing i learned working in a prison, bad people have brains and can use them fairly well and they don't usually let the victim determine the rules of the game. Face to face is more than likely going to be your only option.

Funny thing i live in Wyoming it ranks at the top for states with the most guns per capita of any.  I never carried until a few years ago, never felt the need. Now once in a great while i carry in town but always when traveling and always out in the sticks. Most folks here are the same as me. Most of what you folks see and hear on the news comes from the cities not the rural areas of the country. Now if i lived in the cities prolly a thumper and a shooter too and with my American bully at my side. We are truly being overrun, its a sad situation here.

For you folks who work in an office , this works too!!!! just open it up and start swinging.

[JayEhl]

17 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said:

just open it up and start swinging.

It is a Swingline after all.... 

[Frodo]

wasp spray is a fantastic idea

Edited January 20, 2022 by Frodo

[DrmCa]

1 hour ago, chuck123wapati said:

For you folks who work in an office , this works too!!!! just open it up and start swinging.

Just don't do it in front of Canadian RCMP!

[fredk]

Frodo posted something earlier and deleted it 

A sort of sap, aka a cosh, was used by the Normans at the Battle of Hastings [1066]. They can be seen on the Bayeux Tapestry [approx 1070s] The thing is always over-looked, unless you know its there. 

The Romans, [500 BC to 500 AD] certainly used 'saps' in battle

In early Medieval times a weighted leather bag attached to a wood handle was used by Churchmen who went into battle. Churchmen were not forbidden in killing but they could not shed blood, so the swingy sap was useful.

The only time I ever used a weighted 'weapon' was when I was a postman. A lead bar wrapped in newspaper. To 'gently' tap certain dogs on the snout or head if they attacked me. The owners thought I was using a non-harmful newspaper, but the dogs knew and learnt differently

[mrwatch]

I seen a "sap" for sale in a local antique mall booth. Made in Detroit Mich. years ago. Legal to sell? Local auctioneer is smart, sells a book of matches and give you the questionable object. 

[chuck123wapati]

3 hours ago, JayEhl said:

It is a Swingline after all.... 

 

2 hours ago, DrmCa said:

Just don't do it in front of Canadian RCMP!

it was actually taught to our office staff and councilors during the annual self defense training.

[chuck123wapati]

1 hour ago, fredk said:

Frodo posted something earlier and deleted it 

A sort of sap, aka a cosh, was used by the Normans at the Battle of Hastings [1066]. They can be seen on the Bayeux Tapestry [approx 1070s] The thing is always over-looked, unless you know its there. 

The Romans, [500 BC to 500 AD] certainly used 'saps' in battle

In early Medieval times a weighted leather bag attached to a wood handle was used by Churchmen who went into battle. Churchmen were not forbidden in killing but they could not shed blood, so the swingy sap was useful.

The only time I ever used a weighted 'weapon' was when I was a postman. A lead bar wrapped in newspaper. To 'gently' tap certain dogs on the snout or head if they attacked me. The owners thought I was using a non-harmful newspaper, but the dogs knew and learnt differently

I love the history! The native Americans  carried a coup stick, most had a big rock on them.  it was believed that touching a live opponent in battle was as great or greater feat than killing an opponent so they used the weapon to count coup . 

[Frodo]

4 minutes ago, chuck123wapati said:

I love the history! The native Americans  carried a coup stick, most had a big rock on them.  it was believed that touching a live opponent in battle was as great or greater feat than killing an opponent so they used the weapon to count coup . 

Among the Plains Indians of North America, counting coup is the warrior tradition of winning prestige against an enemy in battle. It is one of the traditional ways of showing bravery in the face of an enemy and involves intimidating him, and, it is hoped, persuading him to admit defeat, without having to kill him