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Toro 3000 Intermittent Skipped Stitches
Wizcrafts replied to Andrew Chee's topic in Leather Sewing Machines
Common enough that I developed some new, custom swear words! I actually put a funnel over one spool of black thread to keep it from twisting over the thread guide on top of the thread stand. -
If you get a needle feed machine, change the presser foot to one equipped with rollers on the front and back (or a good quality Teflon foot). This will prevent the soft Plonge from gathering as it feeds. You will definitely benefit from an easy-to-control servo motor, preferably with a rotary speed limiter dial, rather than up/down sequence buttons. Note, that needle feeders are garment factory machines with oil pumps that are meant to spin at 2000 rpm and higher. However, sewing leather goods is done at very slow speeds, typically less than 600 rpm. You may need to occasionally remove the top thread from the take-up lever onward, raise the presser foot, then spin the machine at high speed to distribute the oil to the extremities. Most walking foot machines are manually oiled through numerous holes and can run at very slow speeds. Some are built for lighter duty goods and would be a better match for sewing soft leather goods. Such machines would have a smaller hole in the feed dog and lighter pressure and thread tensioning springs. You probably will not be sewing with any thread larger than #92, or cotton/polyester T80 to T100 jeans thread. Contact our dealers who advertise on or contribute to the forums and ask about a light duty walking foot machine, with a servo motor, setup for soft, thin leather. They will steer you in the right direction and stand behind the machines they sell you.
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A #20 needle is way too big for #69 thread, in most cases. I use either a #16 or #18 needle with such small thread. A number 20 needle is okay for #92 bonded, or #80 to #100 cotton-polyester jeans thread.
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It is a CB3500 rebranded and set up by Ryan O'Neel, who runs Neel's Saddlery in Lima, Ohio. It has all the capabilities of a CB3500 and would make a great holster sewing machine. It does have reverse built into the stitch length lever. Just go up to sew in reverse. Note, you can buy a new CB3500 for about $2100. Hopefully, this used machine has plenty of bobbins, needles and thread for $1700.
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Singer 31-15 Or Consew 225.. Will Either Work For Me?
Wizcrafts replied to jk215's topic in Leather Sewing Machines
I own both a 31-15 and a walking foot machine and I strongly recommend that you test the Consew 225 and buy it if it works as designed. The 31-15 is a tailor's machine that can be altered to sew leather (change feed dog, presser foot, throat plate, add more clearance in shuttle driver, dink with bobbin case retainer ring). The 225 is already made to sew leather, up to 3/8 inch, with up to #138 thread (possibly even #207 on top). -
Nope. It is a chainstitch blindstitch garment hemming machine.You need to do more research on what a leather sewing machine is and isn't. Have you read my pinned topic at the top of this section of the forum? Chandler does make a nice, entry level walking foot machine, called the 406RB
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You are not going to find a new industrial sewing machine for "a few hundred bucks." Check your local Craigslist for used industrial sewing machines. Get what you can within your budget, then buy any parts or accessory feet needed to get it to sew wallets. Try to find a walking foot machine in good working condition. I have seen them sell on Craigslist for as low as $400 to $600, from upholstery or tailor shops. New, these are often worth $1200 to $2000. Stay away from high speed garment sewing machines with self oilers. They need to spin at a minimum speed of about 2000 rpm at the machine to get the oil distributed to all ends. You cannot sew leather that fast. Most leather is sewn at no more than 600 to 800 spm (stitches per minute), with most of our members usually sewing at less than 300 spm. Also, the domestic machines sold on eBay as "Industrial Strength" are just glorified home machines being marketed with a fancy phrase. They may or may not sew your wallets at all. If they do, it will be with a maximum of #69 bonded nylon thread, which is only 11 pounds test. Still, this is okay for thin wallets. You will be responsible for taking care of repairs, accessories and parts, when you buy from a private party (not a dealer). As a first time sewer you will encounter your share of problems. If you purchase a machine from a reputable dealer, they will usually assist you over the hump.
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Gregg is too modest. Thanks. FYI: Gregg sells industrial sewing machines and attachments of all kinds, including custom made edge guides. He stocks a bunch of good motors. Gregg needs to think about placing an ad banner on LWN.
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I thought you already had a walking foot Consew 206RB-?. If not, here is a link to read its specs. That is a perfect machine for heavy cloth, canvas, webbing, denim and medium density leather (up to 3/8 inch thickness). Your old straight stitch machine will do shirts and cloth pants. I use an old Singer 31-15 tailor's machine, or an ancient Singer 66-1 for flat work with cotton thread. Now, here is a heavy duty leather sewing machine that can easily handle #277 (and more), into over 3/4 inch of real leather.
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Yep. They are sold as a 3 piece kit.
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BINGO! The smooth round nut IS the pressure adjuster! Turn it clockwise for more, or counterclockwise for less foot pressure. You'll have an easier time turning it if the foot is all the way down, rather than lifted (personal experience).
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kpkpkp; Based on what you have been describing, you'll need three machines: A heavy duty stitcher, like a 441 or Adler clone, for use with #277 thread and thick materials. A walking foot machine for jeans, canvas and upholstery. A straight stitch, light duty, high speed, cloth sewing machine that handles thin cotton thread without breaking it.
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I can sew medium weight cloth shirts and pants on my walking foot machine, which is similar to your Consew. However, you'll need to back off or remove the top pressure spring and loosen both upper and bobbin tension springs and use a very small needle that best suits the thread (e.g.: a #12 round point needle with #40 or #50 cotton or poly-core thread). The bobbin spring should just exert enough tension to keep the thread from unloading by its motion (install backwards to rotation). A star shaped anti-backlash spring inside the bobbin case helps prevent unloading of the thread with rotation and with sudden stops & starts. Reduce the upper tension to place the knots inside the shirt. You should be able to sew two layers of cotton or similar cloth using this technique. Note: if your Consew has a heavy duty upper tension beehive spring, it may not be easy to balance the top tension against a minimal tension bobbin thread. You can order a lighter beehive spring from Bob, or borrow one from an old domestic sewing machine. FYI: I use a separate machine that is just a straight stitch, bottom feed machine, for flat cloth sewing. The springs are lighter, the feed dogs are finer and the hole in the throat plate is smaller than the big hole inside the feeder on a walking foot machine.
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Yep, a 31-15 is the ticket. I put a roller foot conversion on mine and use it at home to sew with #92 thread, into garment or chap leather. It is great for installing zippers.
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To clear up some confusion from another member, the L shaped bar is not used to adjust the lift of the foot during normal sewing. It is a darning foot lifter, which raises the foot well beyond its normal range of motion, allowing one to pull the material any distance they desire. This allows for temporary stitching, like 2 or 3 to the inch, or you can use it to cross over rips (darning). Because the foot is lifted so high by that rod, the tension disks are released on the upper tensioner. That is why a second set of disks is mounted on the front of the machine. This set never gives up its tension. The bent rod is lifted by the edge of the knuckle that holds the needle bar, on its way up. The normal sewing lift is controlled by the sliding puck containing the butterfly nut and its bolt on the back of the head. At the maximum lift, the top tension disks should not be opened. That should happen only when you lift the presser foot lift lever on the lower part of the back of the head. With the foot manually lifted, the top disks are forced to open and release tension. The darning lift rod also causes them to open, as it exceeds the maximum closed disks position.
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Your take-up lever spring is missing (picture 3). It rides on top of the hump protruding from the top of the take-up lever and connects under the thumb nut on top. Check the thread check spring inside the needle bar, just above the needle mount. The paddle shaped spring needs to make good contact with the thread, or else the loops go away before the hook picks them up. The L shaped bolt is a darning attachment. Turn it so that the take-up mechanism hits it on the way up. This causes the foot to lift off of the material so you can place the stitches any distance apart you want. You need to rethread the top thread through the front disks instead of the top disks to darn stuff.
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Toro 3000 Intermittent Skipped Stitches
Wizcrafts replied to Andrew Chee's topic in Leather Sewing Machines
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Here you go: Left toe foot: use when sewing close to the right edge, as in belts. Right toe foot: use when sewing close to the left edge of something, like a shaped holster or case. Blanket foot: use when sewing horse blankets, or similar large cloth items. The teeth on the bottom give added pull and holding power. Slotted throat plate: use when the feed dog has been removed, which makes it a dual feed machine. The narrow slot makes the bottom look nicer, almost like a Union Lockstitch machine. The round top plate is for curved leather projects, like stirrups. It can also be used to sew holsters and objects that have snaps that might be in the way. The raised, flat top plate is for sewing shaped holsters and cases, where the raised or lowered section passes on the left side of the needle slot.
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Toro 3000 Intermittent Skipped Stitches
Wizcrafts replied to Andrew Chee's topic in Leather Sewing Machines
I also sew mostly bridle leather. Sometimes, a section seems to be denser than the surrounding areas and the leather lifts off the throat plate with the needle. This causes an instant skipped stitch. Is this happening to you? Try moving up to a #24 needle, when they arrive, just in case. Too much check spring motion will keep the top thread under tension too long and might interfere with the formation or continuation of the loop. If your check spring moves more than 90 degrees, shorten it's travel to 90 degrees or less. A needle, as it is sewing, gets pulled to the left a bit by the trailing top thread (I can see this happening). If the timing is already marginal, this left offset can cause skipped stitches. Move the shuttle to the left a tad to get the hook to almost touch the needle when it's in the scarf area. Larger needles are less affected by the left-pull factor. Marginal needle's eye to hook timing will lead to occasional skipped stitches. The position of the needlebar can shift upward with continued pounding into leather and a very heavy hold down spring. This changes the position of the eye and scarf of the needle in relation to the point of the hook. Try lowering the needle by 1/16" or 1/8", secure it, and see if this improves the sewing consistency. If it does, you'll need to open the front cover and position the needlebar so that the securing screws are accessible. Loosen it/them, lower the needlebar by the same amount that you manually lowered the needle, then secure the screws. Maintain the horizontal axis position of the needle mount as you lower the bar. Now move the needle back to the top of the mounting hole and reinstall the cover and thread her up. If a shifted needlebar was the problem, it should now be fixed. Finally, if the thread is black, you may be a victim of the Springy Black Thread Syndrome. -
Getting Serious About A New Machine - The Colt
Wizcrafts replied to RavenAus's topic in Leather Sewing Machines
The Q-Stitch is a Juki 441 clone, pretty much identical to the Cowboy, Cobra and Techsew machines sold in the USA and Canada. I have a Cowboy CB4500 that is like that Colt and it sews from about 2mm up to about 22mm, depending on the size of thread and needle. Obviously, one needs much thinner thread and a smaller needle to sew 2mm than 8mm (~1/3 inch). If your projects range between 6 and 8mm (1/4" to 3/8"), I think that b207 (T210) bonded nylon, or bonded polyester would do just fine. You would use size 160 or 180 leather point needles with this size thread, on top and in the bobbin. BTW: Get the machine from an authorized dealer who will assist you with its operation, troubleshooting glitches and parts replacements, if needed. -
I use only type 3L (3/8") v-belts on my sewing machines. All industrial sewing machine dealers stock and sell these belts.
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Getting A Consew Walking Foot Sewing Machine
Wizcrafts replied to DoubleC's topic in Leather Sewing Machines
The old Consew long body is probably very similar to the Singer 139 long body I bought from Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines. It has a triple feed walking foot system, but no reverse. Mine has the stitch length adjuster as a knob that protrudes from the right end of the hand wheel. Turning it clockwise shortens the stitches and vise-verse. This type of machine, should yours match it, will sew up to 3/8 inch of compressed material. Thread capacity is probably limited to #138, or possibly #207 on top and 138 in the bobbin. I have no idea about the size of your machine's bobbin until you take possession of it and measure the bobbins. My machine was converted to a Juki hook, which uses the Juki LU extra large bobbins. Due to the long bed you will have an easy time sewing patches onto vests and jackets!