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Yeah...a good deal for the seller...

Ok, well I have used one of those a bit and I think you'll find it is really not suited to materials like that. Most folks buy them to do quilting...for sewing a couple layers of light cloth together... Couple of layers of F111 rip stop nylon or something, fine. Multiple layers of 500D, not so much.

That's sort of what I'm thinking too...going to try the fourth pass in a little while.

Are you actually trying to sew leather and/or cordura with that machine?

Thanks...got that jotted down in my notebook... Still need to try to figure out that fourth pass...I'm going to try to extrapolate it from the other ones, but it would be helpful if someone else could confirm where/how to start out on the fourth pass...

Buck...what size strings did you use for the plait and what did you use for a core?

Yeah...problem is, I don't know how to start the third and fourth passes...that's what I've been trying to figure out. First two, no problem. Don't know how to begin the third pass (where and how many U/O to begin...)

And...I am pretty sure it is a 9L x 8B base, but hell if I can get the third and fourth passes correct.

Ok, from this post in another thread... http://leatherworker...75 "Bud Brewer gave us these Os & Us: I don?t know anything about types, an I definitely don?t know anything about the math of these things. Long ago I sat down an figured out the way the passes go under an wrote it down. Lost it an so, redid it again. I think it is correct. Maybe this will help with the knots PINEAPPLES 2 pass ? first pass under 2 at the top, under 2 at the bottom. There after, under 3 both top and bottom. (basic pineapple) 3 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 4 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 5 at bottom 4 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 6 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 7 at bottom 5 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 8 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 9 at bottom 6 pass ? first pass under 2 at top, under 10 at bottom. There after under 3 at top and under 11 at bottom" Can someone please explain this info from the late Bud Brewer? Was he referring to Type 3 pineapple knots?

I've completed the 9L x 8B w/pineapple interweave, so it looks the same as the knot, but without the extra passes to double everything. Not sure how to continue...

My favorite one is like the heel knot...it cinches down on both ends to help keep everything contained...

Ok, I will look at this when I get home this afternoon...thanks...

Will send you a PM on this...

Thanks, tracym...I did find a tutorial for a 9L x 8B, so am going to try that later after I step away from it for a while. Bucksnort -- if I were looking at this from your perspective (experience), what you said would probably make a lot more sense. I guess I just don't know enough yet to "get it". Like tracym, I am starting to figure out the patterns as far as when to split parallels, how to go under x's (and how many)...but for the life of me, I cannot figure out this knot.

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You could do what I did...start it on a larger mandrel, then transfer it to a smaller diameter one...that should give you more room to work while keeping everything straight... 4 bight? How many leads/parts? You're starting to sound like gail. So can I just start with a 7L x 6B knot then? I'm not sure what you mean by an "expansion pass". I'll try to find a 9L x 9B (I think that's what you mean) in Tom Hall's book and start with that. I'm so confused...none of this makes any sense to me at all. Again, can you please let me know what a "standard" herringbone/pineapple weave is? There seem to be about a million different ones or so... I do not understand this. I guess I am just too stupid to be able to tie this stuff. Pretty strongly considering giving up on this stuff right about now. Also, "stuff" was not the first word to come to mind, but this is a family forum and I am trying to keep it family friendly.

Go read the threads I've posted in this section as most of them deal with the same problems you might encounter in understanding these knots...I use the jumbo permalock, but they're cheap so I'd probably get one of each if I were you. The size really depends on the size lace you're going to use...if you switch to smaller lace later, you'll find a smaller needle works better. There are some that do not use needles at all and just make a gap with a fid and feed the lace through that gap. There are many tutorials on the internet, so you can get by for now without the Grant book. Check out my threads and questions I've posted...many of them have been answered. (Some haven't and it doesn't look like they ever will...)

Very few people are fortunate enough to live within convenient driving distance of a guild or somewhere to take lessons...I'm trying to set one up in my area, but it's going to be really hard to do, I think...

Good luck...if you figure it out, please post it...

The books I have reference a whole hoard of different pineapple knots, so I do not know which one the "basic" one would be...they are all different and they all look different when completed.

...and I would STILL really, very much like to know what exact, specific knot this is and how to tie it, pretty please with sugar on top. I really don't think that's too much to ask...if someone asked me for this info and I had it, I would tell them.

Here are some more knots I've been working on to practice... Bruce Grant Heel Knot: Same Heel Knot from above: 3-pass Type 3 Pineapple Knot: 4-pass Type 3 Pineapple Knot:

Tracym -- the number of x's you go through on each side is apparently determined by the "type" of knot...the one I did last night, I didn't go through any after an "up" half cycle and went through three x's at the end of the "down" half cycle... Unrelated, but I am shocked that no one can/will tell me what this specific knot is.

Well. This probably will not help your blood pressure any, but I have it on good authority that UPS has been recruiting people in suburban areas for local parcel delivery...they basically set up a trailer in one of your neighbor's driveways, deliver the packages (locking them in the trailer) during the day, then the person is supposed to deliver them around their neighborhood in the evenings in their own personal vehicles. Really doesn't sound like a good situation, to me...

One thing that really sucks about USPS is that they do sometimes delivery mail to the wrong address -- when there is delivery confirmation on the package and they deliver it to the wrong address, it still shows up as "delivered" because they scanned it as "delivered" even though it isn't where it's supposed to be. PayPal will still find in your favor if that is the case though...but it's bad because you don't have any way to know if it was delivered to the wrong address or if the person really did get the package and is lying.