Thanks Butch, i should probably refrase this, i had a lot of help, the reason i did an 8 button seat is because me and the guy helping me finished fitting the seat and i had an oh sh#t moment, there was a small hole in the very front of the seat, otherwise it wouldnt have been an 8 button seat, if you look closely at the "loop seat" you will see that it is just a sewed in insert, i accidentaly cut out the whole plug instead of just the top and bottom, woops!!! but i was fairly pleased with the rest of it, thank you so much for the tips, brainless beginners like myself could use a lot more.