A little change to make a BIG differance on Cowboy sewing machines

[Constabulary]

On 3/6/2022 at 6:01 PM, Wizcrafts said:

My hope is that as a result of the things discussed in this topic about matching forward and reverse stitch lengths, that the assault against our dealers will stop. No machine is perfect all the time unless it has expensive electronic controls that make it sell for $10k (think Adler 969 ECO). I am happy to be able to buy a heavy leather stitcher for about $3k that does the same sewing, but needs a little adjustment with a round washer.

 

  

weeeellll.... Not the same machine - I´m aware of that - but my decades old Singer 45D91 is matching in F + R no mater the stitch length I dialed in. It has an internal "butterfly" and the adjustment screw (the one left of the reverse lever) is the stop for the forward "wing" and for the reverse "wing" (if you can imagine what I mean). Pretty simple and very effective design. I think it is the same F + R  mechanism as in the 31K32 just scaled up. But thats maybe not fancy enough for nowadays machines. The simple things are often the best. But that's a different story but looks like it was possible to design a simple and effective reverse mechanism decades ago already. Wondering if original JUKI 441 users have F + R problems with their machines as well.

To be honest in the 21st Century a sewing machine factory and their dealers should be able to set up F + R stitch length matching if that is not possible (ex factory) I would say back to the drawing board. I don´t think this should be anything magic that sometimes work and sometimes don`t work (on a new machine). If it does not work then what is the purpose of having the reverse? You cannot expect that every sewing machine user is a tinkering guy and is able to help his / herself.

If the only problem was a few washers then why not include them and mention the process in the manual (takes a few hours for creating a few pages and include them in the manual). If washers are included and the "how to" is mentioned in the manual (f.i. as in Singer 111G156 / 211 manuals ) -  fine - if not - IMO factory / dealer failure and I would not accept the machine and either have the dealer to fix it , return the machine or get some $ back. 1K or 3K or 10K - does not matter IMO. From the perspective of a average sewing machine customer: If the machine has reverse I would expect that it works properly under normal sewing conditions and it has been properly adjusted when I´m buying a new machine (used from private seller is a different story). This has nothing to do with bashing or assaulting this is just what I would expect when I´m buying a new device.

Conclusion: when there is a simple solution for the F+ R stitch length issue it should be mentioned in the manual - thats stupid simple.

[Spyros]

Well oiling so frequently is great for the machine but not so great for the leather, if you overdo it even a little bit it will absolutely spew oil on your work (and your shoes, don't ask me how I know)

[chrisash]

On 5/16/2022 at 11:48 AM, Constabulary said:

  

weeeellll.... Not the same machine - I´m aware of that - but my decades old Singer 45D91 is matching in F + R no mater the stitch length I dialed in. It has an internal "butterfly" and the adjustment screw (the one left of the reverse lever) is the stop for the forward "wing" and for the reverse "wing" (if you can imagine what I mean). Pretty simple and very effective design. I think it is the same F + R  mechanism as in the 31K32 just scaled up. But thats maybe not fancy enough for nowadays machines. The simple things are often the best. But that's a different story but looks like it was possible to design a simple and effective reverse mechanism decades ago already. Wondering if original JUKI 441 users have F + R problems with their machines as well.

To be honest in the 21st Century a sewing machine factory and their dealers should be able to set up F + R stitch length matching if that is not possible (ex factory) I would say back to the drawing board. I don´t think this should be anything magic that sometimes work and sometimes don`t work (on a new machine). If it does not work then what is the purpose of having the reverse? You cannot expect that every sewing machine user is a tinkering guy and is able to help his / herself.

If the only problem was a few washers then why not include them and mention the process in the manual (takes a few hours for creating a few pages and include them in the manual). If washers are included and the "how to" is mentioned in the manual (f.i. as in Singer 111G156 / 211 manuals ) -  fine - if not - IMO factory / dealer failure and I would not accept the machine and either have the dealer to fix it , return the machine or get some $ back. 1K or 3K or 10K - does not matter IMO. From the perspective of a average sewing machine customer: If the machine has reverse I would expect that it works properly under normal sewing conditions and it has been properly adjusted when I´m buying a new machine (used from private seller is a different story). This has nothing to do with bashing or assaulting this is just what I would expect when I´m buying a new device.

Conclusion: when there is a simple solution for the F+ R stitch length issue it should be mentioned in the manual - thats stupid simple.

Agree its not a assault on dealers but highlighting faults that have been found, so that hopefully the dealers and makers can bring in solutions, Advertisers must accept the good praise they get and the notification's on when there are faults

[RockyAussie]

4 hours ago, Spyros said:

Well oiling so frequently is great for the machine but not so great for the leather, if you overdo it even a little bit it will absolutely spew oil on your work (and your shoes, don't ask me how I know)

Good thing is generally most sewing machine oil does not leave any marks on leather after it dries out absorbs or whatever. To skip a good oiling practice is not a good idea especially if you think that 6 years between is alright .

2 hours ago, chrisash said:

Agree its not a assault on dealers but highlighting faults that have been found, so that hopefully the dealers and makers can bring in solutions, Advertisers must accept the good praise they get and the notification's on when there are faults

I do agree but I will add that to the best of my knowledge here in Australia the machines are checked and adjusted if need be before they go out to the customers. The shim for aiding in getting the back stitch length correct is more of a recent addition on these machines and I believe it is provided so as to make it easier for the customer to do it them selves if things move out of place over time. It is a fairly difficult procedure to explain and show all the steps involved to the average person and they can end up creating more of a problem if they do it wrongly. I do believe it would be a good idea to add into the dealers manuals and or video library an explanation on how to use the shim if ever needed so I think I will try and put something together for the dealers to use if they want. The dealers look after me pretty good over here so it will help me pay back some. (They sent me a new drop down guide and stainless steel flat table top attachment today for the CB4500 to test and try)

[Doc Reaper]

Hey Rocky, must be nice to get free shhtuff from folks that want you to test it out. I have to order everything and pay premium price to get it.

if I had the tools I’d be making parts for my 4500, I’m sure there are folks that have ability but don’t know how to sell the part they make. I’m still trying to figure out how to use the holster plate! I have made holsters by hand and machine and my daughter thought I needed one, at the moment it’s a dust collector. 

[RockyAussie]

11 hours ago, Doc Reaper said:

I’m still trying to figure out how to use the holster plate!

They are a pain to set up with all of the changes that have to be done for sometimes 1 job. Probably not to bad if you do it often enough I suppose.  I don't get any call for making up holsters and since I have set up the narrow needle plate set I have not had to take them out for anything in the last couple of years now. Do you need the holster plate to do holsters or does the narrow needle plate allow you to do with them?

[Doc Reaper]

I’ve Done holsters by hand and by machine, I’m able to favor my left and right and working to the left is no problem, but the holster plate was a gift from my daughter. Not using it would be insulting and a waste of money and effort. I’ll get hold of Cowboy Bob, he sold me the machine and I’m sure he’s very knowledgeable about such matters 

[RockyAussie]

34 minutes ago, Doc Reaper said:

I’ve Done holsters by hand and by machine, I’m able to favor my left and right and working to the left is no problem, but the holster plate was a gift from my daughter. Not using it would be insulting and a waste of money and effort. I’ll get hold of Cowboy Bob, he sold me the machine and I’m sure he’s very knowledgeable about such matters 

He is and that is just one more good reason to buy from a reputable dealer. He also helps keep the forum here going

[Doc Reaper]

I’d like to be considered as one of those members, but my time is limited, I hate Facebook because of censorship 

[alpha2]

On 5/19/2022 at 5:18 PM, RockyAussie said:

They are a pain to set up with all of the changes that have to be done for sometimes 1 job. Probably not to bad if you do it often enough I suppose.  I don't get any call for making up holsters and since I have set up the narrow needle plate set I have not had to take them out for anything in the last couple of years now. Do you need the holster plate to do holsters or does the narrow needle plate allow you to do with them?

I do a lot of holsters, but not one yet with the holster plate, because I can't figure out how it's supposed to be used. I'd love to see a short video of someone using it. To be fair, I haven't needed it yet, that I know of! Maybe it makes something far easier that without, but it's beyond me to see it. I do more belts than holsters so maybe it's not worth the effort/time to change things out. I gave up on doing webbing projects because it's way too much trouble to reset everything on the machine.