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Yep, I mean the sueded "under side" of "split"... not the top grain people normally think of as "leather". W/C has sent me the splits on occasion, but since I'm splitting 10 oz down to 7.5 or 8 oz, the resulting split isn't much of anything useful to me. Still haven't called to verify, but I am going to talk to HO to see if the 30 splits need to be all the same weight.

If you're referring to Sam making a Glock 19 holster, you're in the right spot. To date, STILL the only holster making video I've seen worth watching. But he doesn't use dye (on that one, at least). Oil only, and sunlight. Which would not darken the thread. Dye WILL color thread -nylon or poly. I often use natural thread and then dip after forming so the thread complements the leather color. Complements, as in not "match", since they are two different substances with different make up and texture, so they don't "match". Personally, I've found that nylon accepts the color a bit better than the poly, though it's possible that's simply due to the brands I'm using -- thread from another manufacturer could well act differently.

I've never seen it "come apart" like you describe (doesn't sound very "bonded"). It IS different, though.. generally requires a change in top thread tension going from nylon to poly (or back).

Yeah.. see there.. NOW they're coming out

I think Bob is talking about this one. https://www.tandyleather.com/en/product/the-art-of-hand-sewing-leather-book That angled stitch seems to be more of a European thing

Crowding 40,000 downloads on the site (not including any files here, cutesy, or in your email). Know what the prize is for being number 40,000? NUTHIN'! SERIOUSLY.. you folks got 40k free downloads and you wanna prize?@#!@!!

well, close Those flip-up guides are purdy durn handy. I can machine 'stuff', but they're so cheap it's just not worth it to make yourself unless you already have all the stuff right there in one place.

Welcome folks. Always more in the works ...

Well, I have certainly had not-so-wonderful things to say about some suppliers of leather and leather-stuff. But I'm really not the sit-n-whine type... whatever I said was intended for teh benefit of other leather people. Here's the POINT, tho.. leather is sold by GRADE -- whether that's A, B, C or 1, 2, 3... whatever. And those grades come with descriptions. So I'm not asking anyone to go through a bunch of hides to find me the "pretty" ones -- just sell me leather out of the pile for the grade I paid for. If I can't tell the difference between what you call A and what you call C, then AT LEAST one of us is confused. Either I don't know what I'm looking at (sure, okay) or those hides don't belong in that "A" pile. I've never objected to paying the "A" price IF AND ONLY IF I'm getting the "A" leather. So if I get less-than-acceptable leather, you're getting it back. Once, or even twice, could happen. But 3 times? Now we're just playing 'mail tag', and I'd like to think I could be doing something better than calling to order leather, wait, view leather, call to complain, return leather .. repeat.... But, 'suppliers' don't "get a pass" because they're a business and "things happen". I can't see me ever telling a customer .. Yes, I know that holster is hard to get the gun out....you just need to learn how to use it differently, true, that belt could have been 1" longer. Or you could hit the gym occasionally. I agree that what I sent doesn't look like the picture, but hey-- they can't all be 10's ! I say I can't see ME saying that, because there ARE some who do just that. Oh, those wrinkles? That adds charm and character to the project. Oh, that blotchy dye? That's 'rustic' - I meant to do that. Separated grain layer? Call it a "zombie" project. For me, KEEP your wrinkles -- I don't want 'charming' leather. If you can't send me the "A" I'm paying for, then have the spine to say that.

HEY,.. tha's the same little 'tub' I use to hold dye for dippin'! Wonder if I git me summa them there gloves, would corn on the cob taste differnt?

Well, your claim to intellectual property can be renewed - so that's no trouble. And I don't have issue with those old patterns... I STILL get asked to do them on occasion, and "back when" I did a LOT of them, just because it makes it very easy to compare my tooling to the next guy (who also did those). Only issue is, I don't then move a couple lines on the pattern and then SELL the "new" pattern. No surprises here, really -- this went about like I expected it to

Okay, still trying to clean up a bit as I go... meaning without actually shutting down to clean. Making progress, getting stuff back where it should go. Here's the thing, though... HOW MANY times have we seen Stohlman's 'How to Make Holsters' book quoted, clipped, recommended, borrowed, sold ... and that's just on THIS forum. I've had a copy (at least one) of that book for years. But I rarely see it.. over in that pile of other patterns and carvings and such. So I went through it, be sure there aren't tracings or other patterns between the pages (hey, I want EVERYTHING where it's supposed to be). And there it is.. in the intro... Al wanting to give "a special thanks to my wife, Terry ...." Wait.. what???? I thought Mrs. Stohlman was ANN. Maybe her name is Terry Ann, and she goes by Ann? Is it marketing (Al n Ann)? Was he married more than once? Is there a reason I never noticed that (normally pretty thorough)? Is it even my business? But more to the point ... gotta 'skirt' the issue a bit, because I'm thinking there are copyright issues involved: So, if I SELL patterns -- how much do I need to ALTER a previously available one before it's not considered "copy-ing"? I mean, if you do a rose, and I do a rose, and they're similar -- it may appear to be a copy when in fact one person may not have seen the other. For this reason, I don't sell carving designs. If I make one, it's for me or someone I know. But we see carving designs offered for sale all the time. Always somebody wanting to sell us something -- whether we need it or not! And flipping through the pages of that vintage book, THERE is that carving design I've seen again and again (without even looking for it). I kept seeing slight variations of the SAME pattern, and in time I started thinking I KNOW I've seen that before. Then I'd go back to not really having an opinion, since I don't sell them and I don't buy them. THE QUESTION THEN: Is it legal to use the design to make holsters? Of course .. that was the point of the book. But we all agree that it would NOT be legal to reproduce the PATTERN and sell it. Since the designs exceed 50 years old, some will tout "vintage" and "public domain" -- but that book is still in production. So if I scan it, and use software to "smoosh" it a bit this way and that... is this a copyright issue? Can I "smoosh" it, and then claim copyright protection for my 'smooshed" pattern, even though created by someone else? Not gonna post the thing -- for the reasons I just gave -- but somebody look at page 18 of that book and tell me you don't see that design in a dozen slight "variations".

Now there's an honest man. If you believe what you hear -- around here or in fact most of the internet posted by anyone with an item to sell -- then you 'n' me are the only ones who do this type of thing on occasion

Yeah, they got some they didn't have back when I started. LIke chocolate, but not Colors we used to have to experiment and mix by hand are now on the shelf (sometimes). BUT, the floor is concrete and needed repainting anyway, and the fish didn't die (which makes sense, since I don't have any) and there is probably enough left in that little bottle to second-coat the project I was doing.. so might as well have a laugh about "feaux" wood floors!

Dropped a half full 4 oz plastic bottle of walnut fiebing's pro dye on the floor. And splashed my white leather sneakers pretty good (walnut actually looks good on white, though.. rather "dapple"). My little girl isn't going to like this.. it "ruined" the spash of purple I put there last time I made her a belt -- she was a bit proud of that purple spill Progress, though... plastic bottles means no glass to sweep up this time. The 4 oz was a test... and I kinda like this walnut color. So there's MORE good news... it wasn't a quart I have heard from some sources I know pretty well that a quart plastic bottle dropped just right on a concrete floor will crack the plastic cap and the pressure from the fall will blow it -- and a good percentage of the dye --- like a pump. Just what I hear ...

No metal to tarnish and stain and no wood drawing the moisture out of the leather --looks like it otta work.

No fair No fair No fair No fair. Nothing in that list o stuff under your pic suggests girl stuff But what I actually meant was you sound like you're responsible for your own choices (it's not quite down to you 'n' me, but close). I'm in Fort Dodge, right on HWY 20. Haven't been up yer way in about 15 years.... ona these days I GOT to stop working and go do sumthing. Gotta hurry, though.. wife is wanting to move to MN and don't look like I'm gonna git outta going too! No trouble -- with 10,000 fishin' lakes I kin likely find SUMTHIN to do up that way. The price sheet I dug up is last year, but it lists 2-4, 3/5, and then 4/6 and 5/7 but the last two say 'when available".

I have, on occasion, been known to recover reasonably well

Fer me, I was thinkin' about 3 oz. I could live with 4, but not 2. Some of us have talked about "poolin" funds for years -- and it's never happened! Seems once we get past the talkin' stage, in the end it's usually a bunch of people wanting Jeff to be responsible. Like if we don't like it...send it back to Jeff (yikes). You, on the other hand, seem like a grown man -- so I'll keep you in mind I'll have to think about how many I might reasonably use up, say like before the end of the year. Not 30 sides, but maybe 10-ish?

Ever have one o those times where you looked at something you did and thought.. WHAT was I thinkin' when that happened?!@#!#$%! Yeah, me neither.. I was just testin' you fellas

Yep, I want the stitch line AT the gun. Not sorta. Not 1/2" over. Put a double row there don't make up for the gap, neither. And I'm still tryin' ta learn, too. Is there a bazillion of 'em out there with wanderin' stitch lines? Yep. But they ain't mine. They's gonna be a stack of folks about to argue the point (most of 'em behind the scenes) but if you're gonna leave space there.. why stitch the inside at all... since you're okay with relying on the glue anyway?! BUT.... so tight up on the gun that the stitch strains into the leather when you try to fit the gun.. that aint good neither. Sweet spot is somewhere 'tween them two. I want a nice clean "corner" in there at the edges. Like :

I got a price list somewhere around here ..... SHOOOOT .. shoulda haddem through a couple dozen in the last order. I found my 2015 price list, which aint QUITE so far back. Looks like the splits are $1.25 - $1.50, dependin' on thickness. So, $35-$40 each Only question, then, is how long it would take me to use up 30 of 'em! I considered the W/C too, but since they are splitting various, then the selection isn't consistent. Maybe don't need to be for that matter.

Looks like you searched the same ones I did. That one definitely across the water. That other guy is on ebay and etsy, too, but I hadn't seen the whole sides - just pieces. Don't know how many times I looked right at HO page saying they got splits. Always went right by it -- probly cuz minimum 30 splits... and I've seen my checkbook!

I'll keep looking. Maybe just have to make my own? But I'll mark ya down in case i do find some.

Anybody carries veg split leather? Looking for something split, but NOT chrome