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Here is a link with some other phone numbers in it. Herb Bork does not have a website to the best of my knowledge. http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?s...688&hl=horn

Congratulations Clay. One of the things I enjoy the most is watching my parents play with their grandkids. Brings out a whole new side of them I never knew before.

Lacey, What are the names of some of the companies making knock offs? I'm not familiar with them myself.

Max, if you think this place runs well, then contact Johanna for your website. That is what she does when she is not taking care of all us computer neophytes in leatherland.

For the ¾ of you who have joined since the Great Crash of ’08, you may not have noticed that though the forum was started in June 2006, none of the posts were older than January, 2008. That is because there was a server crash and all the previous topics were lying around on the floor in pieces. CONGRATULATIONS go to Citizen Kate – who actually wrote a computer program that could put Humpty Dumpty together again. Then she and Johanna (who has done the majority of the “grunt work” in these restorations – THANK YOU Johanna!) had to individually read and title all three thousand, four hundred and forty four topics. Then a few more of us got in there to individually move all 3,444 topics back into their appropriate forums. Major thanks for this go again to Johanna and ClayB, who mustn’t have left his computer for a day or two in order to do all the ones he did. But the job of restoring the 3,444 old topics (did I mention how many there were?) is DONE! So for those who have joined since the crash, take a look in your favorite forums. There is some “new” old material to go over. For those of us who have been wanting to re-read something, or check out that picture that went missing, it’s back! Let the celebration begin! And for everyone who knows that Leatherworker has helped them and is a benefit to the industry, please consider chipping into the kitty. (A donation button is on the main page of the forum.) It costs money to keep the lights on around here, and any contributions are gratefully accepted. So join in and have a cup of coffee, but I’d recommend skipping the doughnuts. ClayB has been so busy moving topics back home he hasn’t been watching his dog lick the icing off them. (And you thought they were just glazed…)

Wow. Totally unique methods ("who'd a thunk it" type of response) and what an incredible result. Sounds like the DVD is worth it!

Everything about that piece is gorgeous!

Hi Mike. Welcome to Leatherworkers, one of the friendliest places on the web. Here is a link to a thread on how to resize pictures. if you need more help, just ask. (Maybe someone who knows more that I do will help out.) http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?s...1&hl=resize

Probably a dumb question, but is the horse really leather? It looks real enough to be a photograph.

We use old "glue socks". (We skip using old underwear.) Old cotton socks are the best things for wiping up the glue we use. Rags from shirts, etc. just don't do the job near the same. And there are always holey socks around.

So what questions do we ask ourselves to update?

When we started out, Rod did a course which included doing a full business plan. He found it helpful at the time. But he has never updated it. Wonder what we would find out if we did????

The old posts are coming back as we speak and hopefully within the next couple weeks we will have everything back that can come back. So keep checking in and the old thread will probably show up again. (Of course, by then you may have your answer.)

Where? How? Do we have anyone here who can translate for us on this thread? People want to buy. zhh wants to sell. But we need to communicate better!

As far as slugs go, eating and sliming and pooping on my lettuce and cabbage is reason enough. But I stomp them, not salt them. At least it's quick (and satisfying).

Joanna, Sorry, didn't read back far enough again to see the type of saddle. I would be surprised if a flex tree were used in a saddle that might be used for roping. The reason I asked is that the shape of the back of the bars is so different from most traditional bars I have seen so I just wondered why and that thought came to mind. (Note to self: read and think before typing...) Just FYI in case you haven't had a chance to really look at a tree, here is a picture of a more typically shaped back bar pad. You can see it is not square but tapered so it is not as likely to interfere at the hip when turning as it would if it were more square. Mort, if the inside of a bar is sitting on the horse too heavily, it is because there is too much angle, not too little. Too little angle and the outside edges dig in.

Thanks for the help, Johanna. And to the others too. Maybe high speed is somewhere in the future, but it's still over the horizon out here... (Long... you got the first syllable right...)

Thank you all for your suggestions. E-mail coming, Johanna. That is probalby the easiest way for me to handle it.

We have just been e-mailed a file with the .rar extension. My computer won't open it and tells me to "create an association in the Folders Options control panel". What type of file is this and how do I, or can I, create that association? Do I need another program to do this? Please use small words and short sentances in the answer as computese is anything but my native tongue.

Thinking some more here... I can't see the inside edges of the bars. This means to me that the skirts have not been blocked (moulded to the bar) there, so whatever relief may have been built into the bar is negated by having stiff skirts lying flat underneath underneath them. Those bald spots are way too close to the spine for where the back of the bars should be, especially for a wide tree like you are supposed to have. So either it is the unblocked and tight laced skirts that are rubbing the bald spot there, or those back bar tips are way too close together. Picture taking time!!! Could you take another picture of the underside of the tree pointing out where the inside of the bars are? Often saddle problems are not just a one thing wrong/easy fix answer - as you are finding out.

It looks like the bald spots are at the back of the inside corner of the bar. Is this right? And that is an awfully funny shape to the back of the bars if I'm seeing it correctly. They look almost square! Is that really the shape of the bars? That shape matches the rub marks pretty well then. Is this by any chance a flex tree?

Is it rubbing behind the bars? I was thinking from the pictures it was, but I can't really tell just from the pictures. (If it is the back bar tips rubbing there, they are awfully close together.) Best thing is to look at the end of the ride when the saddle has moved to where it normally sits, and see where the hair is broken off compared to the pad, the back of the skirts, etc. Are those bald spots or just different colored hair? What is above them? Pad? skirts? Where compared to the back of the skirts? If you put your saddle on without the pad in it's normal spot you can feel the back bar tips. Put your fingers under them as a marker and pull the saddle. Where are your fingers in relation to the rubbed areas? Take pictures, pointing out where the bars end, the skirts end, the pad ends. Hey, it's still cold out, and we can use the entertainment/education... And if you are taking more pictures, take a couple of the bottom of the saddle too. Maybe we can see if the sheepskin is worn a bit extra someplace. If it is packed down maybe we can tell a bit about how the skirts are blocked. All sorts of possibilities.

Joanne, Am I seeing the pictures correctly that he is close to bald at the back near his spine? That is way past any bars and would point to the skirts holding tight down there as being part of the problem at least in my view. Thinking of other options: You removed your back cinch on October 30th. (http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=5847&hl=) Could that be correlated with when the hairs started to break off? When did you first notice and how long do you think it may have been happening before you noticed? As some commenting in that thread on rear riggings, how the front one is built affects how the saddle sits, and I wonder if the rear cinch is needed for this combination of horse and saddle. More questions for you...

So then, why do saddle bags end up on motorcyles?

Here's a couple links to threads where this has been discussed before. http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=260&hl=saddle%20%20video&st=0 http://leatherworker.net/forum/index.php?s...l=saddle++video Hope they help. Feel free to ask more questions if you have them. Lots of people here who are willing to answer!