shoepatcher

The 29-4 sold for about $50.00 which was stand and head in 1900. A 29K58 head and stand sold for about $450.00 in the late 1930's when it was introduced. glenn

Andrew Chee, The 195 should sew at least as heavy as the 335. The 335 feet and the 195 feet are interchangeable. I would like to see a picture of the brass plate to see what the subclass is on the model. That may make a difference, i.e., is it a B, C or D class with D being the heaviest. Does is have 4 motion drop feed or is it the skip feed as they call it which is used in binding? Four motion is better for general sewing. Send any pics that you can get of the machine and model plate.\ glenn

Old South, if your machine is a 267GK373, then the hook is a vertical hook. The 267HO373 was a horizontal hook variation of the 267. Not to cut out Gregg but Weaver Leather stocks parts for the 267GK373. Ask for Allen. Can you get us a few pics of the machine and the hook area? glenn

Metal Roots, That is a regular 467 with compound feed and walking feet. It does not have any of the toys, i.e. thread trimmer, automatic back tack, etc. If it did, , the model number would start out at 467-FA-373. This is a very good machine and powerful. It may have been one that preceded the 767 model or one that was brought back after the 767 was introduced. It is a big bobbin machine capable of sewing up to #207 thread. Foot lift anywhere from 14-16mm. Uses system 134-35 needles. Manuals are available for download on Adler's blog site. Can you get us pictures of the machine? The $600.00 price is a very good one depending on the shape of the machine. glenn

Metal Roots, The Adler 467 is a good machine depending on the sub class. Get us the total model number and then we can respond to your questions better. glenn

Actually, it is a genuine Adler 69 that they took and altered the cylinder arm. A few Italian companies have done that with various Adler models. I saw a Adler 768 double needle post machine outfitted with very large hooks and bobbins and could handle very heavy thread some years ago that Bill's Swing had ordered for a Furniture maker customer in the late 90's in NC. it was done by an Italian company that I cannot remember the name of at this moment. glenn

C, That looks an awful lot like a 18 class Durkopp. Must have been a lot of companies in Germany making shoe patcher or a lot of private labeling!!! Beautiful machine!! glenn

Kentharald, When you add up the exchange, insurance, and shipping, I bet you are not saving much. Plus, you are in Ohio and could drive to Weaver to test the machine. I would if I was spending that kind of money. Up to you. glenn

Lazyd, That was the machine before the 767. Depending on what subclass model it is and how it is set up, could be a very good machine. Can you get pictures of it? glenn

C, Pfaff never made their own shoepatcher. The first contracted with Adler to buy some of their machines and stands hence the 230-1 model. Later, they contract with Claes and marketed the machine under the Metro Spezial name calling it a 8345, 8346 and even a 9346 model. It's subclasses were the 310. #20 and #30. I would love to have that Pfaff 230-1 machine. it is a 30-1 in everyway but the name. glenn C, I almost forgot. I have a few of the binders for the 30 class Adler. Singer also made them. I will try to get pictures of them for you. The one on Ebay in Germany is very reasonably price at $55.00Euros. glenn

Weaver Leather has just got 2 969H Eco machines in. They are being set up for sale as of last week. The stand for the 205 had to be modified to accommodate this machine since the head weighs over 200 lbs.! Contact Allen at weaver. I believe the selling price is around $8,500.00US glenn

Beautiful machine. I have three Durkopp shoe patchers. 2- 17 class, 1- 18 class. The scroll and decals on yours is fabulous. glenn

Constabulary, Thanks. I will add it to the list. Any manuals on this machine? glenn

Constabulary, GordonD shoepatcher is a patent elastic model. He did a superb job of restoring it. Looks like museum quality. I hope mine looks like that when it is done. My machine is built in the same style as that one only bigger. I have pics of the head and stand but have been unable to up load them yet. It is old and rusty but I will begin taking more pics of it later this weekend and hope to post early next week. glenn

Oakley, I heard back from Luke at MJ Foley. He can get you the screw here in the States for $26.45US plus shipping. best I can do. glenn

Here is the start of the list of shoe patcher manufacturers and models Adler 30-1, 30-5,30-7, 30-15, 30-10, 30-50, 30-70 plus the early Kochs Adler Durkopp 17 class, 18 class Singer U.F. A, 29-1 thru 29-5, 29k1-33, 53-56, 57, 58, 60, 62, 29K 70, 71-73, 29U71, 29U171A-173A, 29KSV6, 29KSV19, 29D60 Dandy Champion- yes, they made one Consew 29, 29B, 29L, 29BL Bradbury A-1 Repairer Claes # 8346/10 # 8346/20 #8346/30 Pfaff Metro Spezial 8346/10 and 20 and 30, 9346/10 and 20 and 30 Colibri Politype Patent Elastic Anchor name any more you can think of.

I will begin to post pictures soon. glenn

I wanted to let all the readers on the Forum in on a machine that I recently got from Singermania in Australia. I began to purchase this machine from Steve in April, 2014. I bought it on time and finished paying for it in October. He crated it up and I had it shipped to New York via Ocean Freighter. From there by freight truck to Detroit and then delivered to my place of employment 10 days. It was not cheap to get it here. Why would I spend money on this particular shoe patcher you might ask? Very simply, this is a monster compared to any shoe patcher of today. The arm length is 19.5". The shuttle is 3 times larger than a big bobbin Singer or Adler and at least 2.5 times bigger than a #30 large bobbin Claes. The lift on the foot is just under 1". The machine has to be gone over. Neither Steve nor I know who built it at this point. We don't even know what needle system it takes. One of the cast iron supports got broken in shipment so I have to get that fixed. In essence, it is a cross between a saddle machine and a shoepatcher. Steve sent me info on another one of these machines that is in a display at a castle in France. Other that, we only know about the two machines. I will be starting to restore it probably late this fall. I will get pics of the bobbins, shuttle , stand and head posted on this site soon. I am looking for any info that anyone might have on this beast, i.e manufacturer, manual, etc. It looks a lot like the early shoe patchers like Claes& Fenje, Bradbury, patent Elastic, etc. Finally, I have begun to compile a list of the different shoe patcher machines that were built. If you have any pictures of little know ones, please post the pics. It will be fun to see how many companies made this type of machine over the last 150 plus years. glenn

I wanted to let all the readers on the Forum in on a machine that I recently got from Singermania in Australia. I began to purchase this machine from Steve in April, 2014. I bought it on time and finished paying for it in October. He crated it up and I had it shipped to New York via Ocean Freighter. From there by freight truck to Detroit and then delivered to my place of employment 10 days. It was not cheap to get it here. Why would I spend money on this particular shoe patcher you might ask? Very simply, this is a monster compared to any shoe patcher of today. The arm length is 19.5". The shuttle is 3 times larger than a big bobbin Singer or Adler and at least 2.5 times bigger than a #30 large bobbin Claes. The lift on the foot is just under 1". The machine has to be gone over. Neither Steve nor I know who built it at this point. We don't even know what needle system it takes. One of the cast iron supports got broken in shipment so I have to get that fixed. In essence, it is a cross between a saddle machine and a shoepatcher. Steve sent me info on another one of these machines that is in a display at a castle in France. Other that, we only know about the two machines. I will be starting to restore it probably late this fall. I will get pics of the bobbins, shuttle , stand and head posted on this site soon. I am looking for any info that anyone might have on this beast, i.e manufacturer, manual, etc. It looks a lot like the early shoe patchers like Claes& Fenje, Bradbury, patent Elastic, etc. Finally, I have begun to compile a list of the different shoe patcher machines that were built. If you have any pictures of little know ones, please post the pics. It will be fun to see how many companies made this type of machine over the last 150 plus years. glenn

Looking at the stand, I believe it is a very early Adler stand. Hell, that is probably worth more than the head. It would be fun to rebuild it but if you have to order parts, whew! I have Adler 30-1 and 7 parts and they are not cheap. A genuine 30-1 or 10 foot today from Adler is $145.00US when you can buy a generic Singer foot part #82007 for under $20.00. Adler patchers are nice but not at $500.00Euros for this one. glenn

Constabulary, It is an Adler but looking at the shape of it, $500Euros is nuts. If it was in good shape, yeah but that one, I would not give over $100Euros for it and then I am figuring it's a parts machine. glenn

Steve, Any of the later Singer machines manufactured with the letter A in the model number was manufactured by Adler. I have a Singer 144A203. It is the same as the Adler 220-50-73 machine I have. It's the same machine other than the nameplate. Parts list is an Adler part list. glenn

It is a special thread. I was trying to find a clone of the 1245 and hopefully be able to get you a clone part. Ferdco sold a clone of the 1245Pfaff. The unfortunately are out of business. If you tried Pfaff, Metro Spezial and Mauser Spezial machines, they re all now made in China. I believe someone out there has some of these parts. I would email MJ Foley in Detroit. Ask for Luke. They were the largest Pfaff dealer in the US at one time. I deal with Luke all the time. They are now the largest Juki dealer in the US. glenn

Take the end cover over first. Timed much the same as a Singer 111W155. Take needle to Bottom Dead Center (BDC). This you can see by the eccentric arm at the end of the machine. Continue to raise needle by means of the balance wheel and by hand until it has risen about 3/32" from BDC. End of hook should be in center of scarf of needle about 1/8" above eye of needle. That will normally tell you if hook is early or late. Adjustments to the hook can be made by loosening the set screws on the vertical gear that drives the hook. This is assuming the needle bar is at the right height. It was nice back in the early days when needle bars had timing marks on them. glenn