shoepatcher

VanRhodes, According to the parts list, the 20-2 uses the system 794.needle, your 20-7 uses the System 1000H needles. That of course can be changed by altering the height of the needle bar. glenn

You need a spear point to sew heavy leather. Your machine uses the needle system 794R for round point on materials, etc. and 794 S for leather. I would start with a size #2oo to sew leather. That will handle #138 and #207 thread. #160 may be too small a needle for the leather you are sewing. What type of leather and how thick? glenn. This machine only came with big feet. Someone on a post here at Leatherworker.net within the last year is making feet for the 20 class Adler machines. You might try looking up older posts and find them.. I believe they were making prototypes on a 3D printer! glenn

Cowboy bowhunter, Send us some pics of the machine so we can see how it is set up. -shoepatcher

Go to Adler's blog site; www.sew24.blogspot.com Go under the download section and you will find a parts list for the 20 class machine. Under the 120 class, which replaced the 20 class, you can download the operations manual and the service manual. That should help you. glenn

The 545H4 is the high lift version of the 545. I believe the lift on the machine is 14mm. shoepatcher

thechavez, There are generic feet available for the 269 Adler. Bob Kovar can help you and Luke at M.J.Foley in Detroit can help also. There number is 586-948-6070. Call me if you have any questions at 757-870-8385. glenn

9710 What parts are you looking for? I have a few but no needles. shoepatcher` ``

thechavez, Just curious. What other machines did you acquire? Love to see pics. glenn

thechavez, If you go to the following DA site: Sew24blogspot.com , you can download the original brochure for the 269-373, parts list for 169-373 and operations manual for 169-373. I have the parts list, operations manual, mechanics manual for a 269-373 but only in hard copy, not scanned. The 69-373 is a smaller cylinder arm and smaller bobbin with a horizontal hook like the Pfaff 335. The 269-373 that you have is a heavier cylinder arm with a vertical bobbin that is larger that that of the 69. It will accommodate thread up to #207, uses the same feet as the 69-373 cylinder arm, the 267-373 flatbed and the 268-73 post machine. A very good machine. We have two of them in our plant. Your machine could do with a good cleaning which will tell you something about the machine. glenn

Steelernation, You can download the parts manual off of Adler's blog site. it contains parts manuals for all the discontinued Adler machines. I believe the 30-5 is a small bobbin, high lift machine. Singer bobbins and shuttles will work in that machine. I have a never seen a mechanic's manual for the 30-1, 5, 7 class. There is one for a 30-10, 50 and 70 class machines. The 30-5 and 30-50 uses the same needles as the 30-7 and 30-70 System 332LG rd. point and 332 LL LG leather point. What color is your machine? Black, metallic hammer tone green or hammer tone grey? can we see pics? glenn

Tossik, That looks like a 205-25 machine . $1300.00 is a good price for that. Buy it. glenn

C, I think the max. stitch length on the 111W153 an no reverse should be 6.5mm. $200.00 is a decent price and you can still get most of the parts. glenn

C, That looks like a Durkopp. I wonder if Durkopp dis a bunch of private labeling for other companies. If so, we know it was before 1933 because that is when Hitler seized the Durkopp company and turned it into a bayonet factory. What I would give to be in Germany for 6 months and purchase shoe patchers! There are a lot there and lots of odd ones for sale. glenn

Trox, Just so you know, Adler copied Singer in the patch machine department. As far as I can tell, the first IFA or patch machine was made by Claes in 1869. Singer made their first patch machine in the late 1870's. Koch Adler made theirs after that. Both the early Singer and Adler patch machine were good but the later ones as we well know were better. glenn

The 29-4 sold for about $50.00 which was stand and head in 1900. A 29K58 head and stand sold for about $450.00 in the late 1930's when it was introduced. glenn

Andrew Chee, The 195 should sew at least as heavy as the 335. The 335 feet and the 195 feet are interchangeable. I would like to see a picture of the brass plate to see what the subclass is on the model. That may make a difference, i.e., is it a B, C or D class with D being the heaviest. Does is have 4 motion drop feed or is it the skip feed as they call it which is used in binding? Four motion is better for general sewing. Send any pics that you can get of the machine and model plate.\ glenn

Old South, if your machine is a 267GK373, then the hook is a vertical hook. The 267HO373 was a horizontal hook variation of the 267. Not to cut out Gregg but Weaver Leather stocks parts for the 267GK373. Ask for Allen. Can you get us a few pics of the machine and the hook area? glenn

Metal Roots, That is a regular 467 with compound feed and walking feet. It does not have any of the toys, i.e. thread trimmer, automatic back tack, etc. If it did, , the model number would start out at 467-FA-373. This is a very good machine and powerful. It may have been one that preceded the 767 model or one that was brought back after the 767 was introduced. It is a big bobbin machine capable of sewing up to #207 thread. Foot lift anywhere from 14-16mm. Uses system 134-35 needles. Manuals are available for download on Adler's blog site. Can you get us pictures of the machine? The $600.00 price is a very good one depending on the shape of the machine. glenn

Metal Roots, The Adler 467 is a good machine depending on the sub class. Get us the total model number and then we can respond to your questions better. glenn

Actually, it is a genuine Adler 69 that they took and altered the cylinder arm. A few Italian companies have done that with various Adler models. I saw a Adler 768 double needle post machine outfitted with very large hooks and bobbins and could handle very heavy thread some years ago that Bill's Swing had ordered for a Furniture maker customer in the late 90's in NC. it was done by an Italian company that I cannot remember the name of at this moment. glenn

C, That looks an awful lot like a 18 class Durkopp. Must have been a lot of companies in Germany making shoe patcher or a lot of private labeling!!! Beautiful machine!! glenn

Kentharald, When you add up the exchange, insurance, and shipping, I bet you are not saving much. Plus, you are in Ohio and could drive to Weaver to test the machine. I would if I was spending that kind of money. Up to you. glenn

Lazyd, That was the machine before the 767. Depending on what subclass model it is and how it is set up, could be a very good machine. Can you get pictures of it? glenn

C, Pfaff never made their own shoepatcher. The first contracted with Adler to buy some of their machines and stands hence the 230-1 model. Later, they contract with Claes and marketed the machine under the Metro Spezial name calling it a 8345, 8346 and even a 9346 model. It's subclasses were the 310. #20 and #30. I would love to have that Pfaff 230-1 machine. it is a 30-1 in everyway but the name. glenn C, I almost forgot. I have a few of the binders for the 30 class Adler. Singer also made them. I will try to get pictures of them for you. The one on Ebay in Germany is very reasonably price at $55.00Euros. glenn

Weaver Leather has just got 2 969H Eco machines in. They are being set up for sale as of last week. The stand for the 205 had to be modified to accommodate this machine since the head weighs over 200 lbs.! Contact Allen at weaver. I believe the selling price is around $8,500.00US glenn