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try Toledo Sewing, Weaver Leather or M.J Foley in Michigan. All three of them carry the 794 system needle in standard points and in various sizes. shoepatcher

I checked the Adler site and they do have an operations manual for the #20 class that you can download. it includes instructions for threading machine. that site again is Sew24.blogspot.com Go to the download section at the top of the page. will bring up various items for different models. Look under Adler 20. hope that helps. shoepatcher.

You might try to find a operations manual for the Adler 120-2 which followed the #20. You may find it on Adler blog site Sew24.blogspot.com I would also try contacting Michael Simard Ltd. in Canada. A very large Adler dealer who has a lot of older Adler parts. They might even have an instruction manual on the machine. shoepatcher

Email Bob Kovar at Toledo Sewing here in the states. He should be able to tell you in there is anyone in Australia. shoepatcher

If I read you correctly, the outside foot is two pieced? Can you remove the outside foot from the round shaft that holds the foot on? if so, get me a picture fo the shaft with the foot removed> shoepatcher

Your Pfaff post 175 looks like a Pfaff post 195 but with the hook on the left side. The outside presser foot looks like the foot on a Adler 467. This is not the same as the outside foot on a Pfaff 145, 195, 535, 335, etc. I would look at the Adler outside feet. The inner foot looks like regular feet for the 145, 195, 335, etc. and Adler 467, 767 feet. I assume the outer foot is the one you are having trouble with? Could we see a picture of the back of the outside foot? shoepatcher

Try Roberson Sewing Machines here in the US. They have a lot of Adler 269 heads on their web page. shoepatcher

The answer is no unless you change the cam on the main top shaft. The 29-1 thru 29-5 did not have the helical gear on the cam. it was added on K models so that a hub, shaft and gear assembly would go on. This allow you to move the balance wheel and collar from the end to the front of the machine. All you have on your 29-4 is a cover plate.

I have seen a 29-4 sew with a #25 needle and 207 thread on top, #138 in the bottom. However, that size thread in the bobbin means you can't go very far before you run out or thread!

Singer never did an exploded view of the 29-1 thru 5. The did with the later K versions that were built in Scotland but I have never found one for the 29-4 and I have almost all the manuals and parts lists for the Singer 29 series of machines and a few for the U.F.A. machines which was what it was called before they changed the name to a 29 class in 1896. shoepatcher

That is the serial number, not the model number. Some household machines did not have model numbers on them. The model number is usually on a brass plate below the singer brass insignia plate. In this case, it might be under the silver label on the machine. We need better pictures and more of them of the head and the bobbin and shuttle area to identify the machine. shoepatcher

Sgheeter, The Politype was a shoe patcher made in Germany. Emile James was a company that imported shoe patchers to sell in this country. There were based out of New York. At some point, Emile James had their name cast into some of the Bradbury and Politype stands. Wither the companies did it or Emile James had stands built here I have yet to find out. They also imported the Bradbury A-1 Repairer shoe patcher from England. I have a Politype in my collection. It is very similar to the early Claes & Flentje which we know as the early Claes machines. I have a manual for the Bradbury but not for the Politype. Still looking for one. I have an early Claes manual but it is in German. I hope to have it translated into English in the near future. I have a few Bradbury and early Claes patchers as well. I believe the Bradbury uses a 175 x 3 needle in the Singer system. Not sure on the needle system for the Politype. You can PM for more details. shoepatcher

Bob at Toledo Sewing should be able to get you feet for the Adler 167 as well as screws or the bottom plate. shoepatcher

I believe the largest thread you can use comfortably with that machine is #138. You might be able to use #207 but that would require some machining to be done on the finger slot on the underside of the throat plate where the finger from the bobbin case goes. This give you the clearance for the thick thread coming around the hook and going up thru the needle hole . Anything thicker as to #138 thread just would not work properly in my opinion. I think the largest needle made in 135x17 is a 200 or #25. The other thing you have to consider is the needle hole size in the throat plate and even the inside presser foot. I think that machine will handle 3/8" of material without problems. shoepatcher

oclack, The H3 means it is a normal lift. H4 means high lift -meaning the feet would lift higher for more clearance under the feet. The "B" means it is a B class. C is heavier than a B class, C/D is heavier in sewing capabilities than C, etc. The D class was the heaviest model in the 335. You can get generic Pfaff parts such as the throat plate, feed dog, inner and outer presser feet from Henderson Sewing. Prices are much cheaper. They are in Alabama an their number is 1-800-932 0507. I have several 335 Pfaffs where I work and have gotten parts for them from Henderson. Just to give you an indication. The genuine Pfaff outside foot was about $120.00 the last time I checked. The generic foot was about $20.00!

Is this a 30-10 or a 30-7? If it is a 30-7, it needs the longer needle system 332LG for round point, 333LL LG for leather point. If it is a 30-10 or 30 -1, it uses the system 332 round point which is the same as 29x3 like the Singer. You can also use the 135x17 system since they are basically the same needle. I do not use the 29x3 needles in any Singer I set up. The 135 x17 comes in more sizes, in Titanium and the 135x16 is available in more cutting tips than the 29x4 needles. Hope that helps. shoepatcher

This is a SL-71 that Sutton Landis sold. I was a knockoff of a Singer 29K71 shoe patcher Parts should be interchangeable with the Singer.

Try contacting Michael Simard Ltd. in Canada. He has a ton of new old parts for Adlers and is a master Adler dealer. He told me Durkopp/Adler has come to him for old Adler parts that they can't get anymore. telephone number is 519-622-3766. Ask for Michael personally. shoepatcher

Post some pics of the machine if you can. We may be able to figure it out via the pictures adn see what it is close to. shoepatcher

Give Bob at Toledo Sewing a call. Last I knew, he had one in stock. Shoepatcher

Jennbeau, Call me in the evening after 7:00pm EST and I can walk you thru on how to time the machine. 757-8708385 shoepatcher

Adler large bobbin shoe patchers like the 30-7 and 30-70 can use the same bobbin and hooks as those used on a large bobbin Singer shoe patchers like the 29K55, 29k60, 29K72, 29K172. Hope that helps. shoepatcher

Trox, I just found out this past Thursday some interesting news from Michael Simards in Canada. They are the Adler rep for all of Canada. I talked to Michael personally. Seems he has genuine parts for Adler machines going back over 40 years. He has some parts for the 5 class Adlers as well as other old Adlers although we did not get into specifics. . Thought the members would like to know this fact. I do not have the phone number in front of me but you can find it on line. They have a website. If you know the part number, ask for Nora or Michael. They may or may not have it but is worht a try and Michael told some of these parts are no longer manufactured. glenn miller quote name='Trox' timestamp='1331667896' post='239191'] Hi Buffalobill, I have an Adler class 5-27; it is the same machine as the 5-8. The 5-8 has bottom feed and a jump foot, forward and reverse. The class 5 is the forerunner of the class 105. I also have a 105-25 but I prefer to use my old class 5. My 5-27 sews 14 mm tick heavy leather; the jump foot works great on leather. The machine was made for sewing medium and heavy leather, having a bottom feed it will sometimes set marks on the leather. However, not as much as a bottom feed only machine will. The jump-foot takes away some of the pressure from the feed dog, when the foot jumps with the feed. Adjusted the right way, markings on the leathers backside is not a big issue. The stitch pattern is even and fine. This is the yesterday's saddler machine, and cannot compare to the modern triple feed 441 or Adler 205-370 saddlers machine. Nevertheless, the build quality and materials is superb, I will not part with my machine. I will sell my newer Adler 105 and 204, but my class 5 stays. Made before the WW2 and still in new condition. The class 5 uses the same shuttle/bobbin as the class 105 first came with, some of the later 105 machines have changed their to the new big 204/205 shuttle. Using the new industry standard bobbin, same as the classes 204, 205, 441 and clones. The Adler class 5 cylinder bed, class 4 flat bed and Singer class 45 flat/cylinder bed (Similar machine from Singer) served Leather workers faithfully for over a half century. The Adler 205, Juki 441 and clones is now the new standard in the saddler business. Made in China, only time will tell if they last as long as the old class 5 did. Trox

Chipster, That sound like and early Claes or Durkopp. Can you get some pics of the machine and put them on the forum? I or other memebers may be able to identify it. If it is indeed one of these machines, there are no parts for it available. I may manuals on the machine.

Can we get more pictures of this machine? This is the first Claes machine I have seen that is not a shoepatcher. Shoepatcher