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Valarie and Leatherhips, Thank you both. and, just to be clear, the instagram version is not mine, just where my inspiration came from! The first posts are mine... YinTx

So so. Yes, for sure, if the maker hasn't put his maker's mark on the item, and doesn't have an online presence for folks when they go looking. And if the maker starts selling a lot of items through "Jeff's" and isn't happy about that, he/she can certainly cease, or renegotiate terms. This flexibility probably aught to be in the original agreement. Just thinking out loud here. and as a side note, I don't think this is a "heavy topic," just one I find pretty interesting. I am enjoying the topic, as I find it informative both on how I would consider handling either selling my items through someone else, or how I would handle selling other's items. Good to know the pro's, and con's, of each side of the deal. What better place than this to get so many differing viewpoints! YinTx

NVLeatherWorx, Again, thanks for sharing all that detail. I have several of Stohlman's books, but was unaware he had on on coloring leather. I'll see if I can find it. By artist's brush, do you mean like a paint brush, or an airbrush? YinTx

50% markup does seem a bit extreme. Reminds me of the adage about losing $1 an item, and trying to make up for the loss with volume. erm.. math? Truth be told, I've mentioned to others I've thought about opening a store. And immediately everyone wants to put their stuff in a store that I am only thinking about. All kinds of stuff, not just leather. I don't think I'd do that for free. I think it would be nice to have a place for others that make leather goods to be able to display their stuff and get some visibility for their work, and they could make some sales. That's what sparked my interest in this topic. If I had a store, and I thought your work was nice enough to put in there, and I contacted you about it, why would you get mad at me? I'd think it was a bit of a compliment. If you didn't want to, say so, no problem. If you do, settle on terms you and the store agree upon. If you can't agree, move on, no harm done. All that said, what are good terms? Or as Stetson912 says, what is fair? some $/month per item displayed? $/item sold? % of item sold? $/sqft/month of display space? some combination? YinTx

A bit more digging, and here is the individual's Instagram page... https://www.instagram.com/peltongrace/ YinTx

OMG I found the source of my inspiration! Considering I saw this late at night and couldn't remember where, I think I did ok at copying. In fact, a bit too ok, so I feel I must give credit where credit is due. I did a liner and a different closure tab and did the sides different, and edge coated.., but otherwise...

Try the Leather and Lace for sale section on Leatherworker? Just sayin.. .you might find a piece or two you could make an offer on around there... YinTx

JLS, Since I don't have a reference point, could be on way too heavy. Could be the can, too, on account of I don't have a reference point. Or perhaps a bit of both. I don't think I'll drop any $$ on another can to find out, since so many have indicated it is not the product for this job. Just tried the Clear Lac for the first time, not shiny at all. Just soaked right into the leather. Has me a bit worried about it's ability to resist, or my application technique. It also completely wiped off the acrylic paint, and pulled out the Fiebeng's Pro oil dye, resulting in a lighter color. Perhaps a gentle soft brush instead to apply it next time will help. All a learning experience for me. Should I be using 2 coats of Clear Lac, or is one enough before antiquing? YinTx

Oh, you mean Etsy, or Ebay, or any other online store that wants you to put your stuff there so they can charge a fee for doing nothing? At least the actual stores might actually rep your product and attempt to sell it by putting it in front of others. Most store fronts I see in the US are resellers, I don't think Macy's is manufacturing all the different brands of items they have in the store. I don't think I'd be offended if Dillard's asked me to put my item on their shelf. I certainly wouldn't attempt to black list them and bad mouth them to others for that opportunity. If I don't want to put my stuff there, I say thanks but no and move on. Why waste time on malevolence? YinTx

In the example given with the "Book of Books" cover, I used Angelus acrylic for resist, and Angelus acrylic antique. It took a damp rag and a lot of scrubbing to get the resist off. Good to know about the ability to apply acrylic as a final sealer on anything. I'll give it a try sometime. For now, I have a trial run going with some basket weave, and here is the process I am following: DOPCAT: Dye (Fiebeng's Pro Oil), Oil (Neatsfoot), Paint (decorative - Angelus Acrylic paint), Clear-Lac, Antique (Fiebeng's Antique paste, Angelus Acrylic), Tan-Kote. I am ditching the Aussie for now. Today is the "Clear-Lac" step. I'll see how it goes! YinTx

I made one with the sweat guard... and let a fellow carry it around for a few weeks and give me his feedback... feedback was the sweat guard had to go, as it was always in the way. After that, I had visions of it getting into the trigger guard and causing problems... so no more of those in future builds for me, unless I am putting in a thumb break.. YinTx

I did this in two parts, since I was having such an issue already. The top section has already been done. The bottom section was antique applied, and immediately attempt to wipe off. Not happening!!! Had to scrub the heck out of it fast with a wet rag to get any of it to let go. This was after several layers of Angelus Acrylic for the resist. I took this picture about 10 seconds after putting the resist on and trying to wipe it off. As you can see, still shiny wet. YinTx

Terrymac, Thanks a lot for the detail. I have a can of Clear Lac, will try. Just came across some other threads on Saddle Lac, seems to be the same ol issue. Not sure what the heck its good for if it peels and cracks so much? Also found a mention of ONAT- Oil, Neat-Lac, Antique, Tan Kote. I'll give that process a try. (So now it's OCAT). YinTx

I have been on a bit of a quest to get a good antique resist, but with no luck. I had thought the peeling issue I had might have had something to do with putting acrylic on top of saddle lac, but it became even worse when I put Saddle Lac on top of Saddle Lac. Here is my order of operations as it were: Tool Dye - wait a day Neatsfoot - wait a day Aussie (on occasion) - sometimes add a bit of heat to ensure it goes in, wait a day Saddle Lac - wait a day 2nd coat Saddle Lac - wait a day Fiebings Antique Paste - Sheridan Brown - wipe off excess immediately, let dry 10 mins, buff some, dry some, buff some, until I'm happy with the highlights. wait a day (at this point, the paste seems to turn chalky white - I don't like it, it stays that way after the last coat of Saddle Lac. I have taken to coating it before it is completely dry to avoid this issue - this timing has not had any impact on the final results either way. Saddle Lac - wait a day Saddle Lac - wait a day This means I can't get any item done in less than 7 or 8 days due to all the waiting, and then - - - - it peels, and goes into the garbage bin. Someone please let me know which of these steps is wrong!? Here is a photo of some small basketweave I did on a keychain that really exaggerates the peeling. I've had it on large items that don't bend as well. I enjoy tooling, but I am not having any luck with resists and finishes. Acrylic resists simply don't work at all, and the only finish that actually resists the antique peels horribly. YinTx

I have this same effect with several Angelus dyes I have. I think it is a pigment in the dye, as I generally clean my leather prior to dye. When I put the neatsfoot oil on, it reduced the effect, and rubbing in Aussie completely eliminated the pearlescent look, and gave it a beautiful shine. Using Angelus acrylic finish also seemed to do the trick. You might try dyeing a sample piece and trying different finishes to see if it has the effect you want. Let us know! and photos can go a long way to clarifying your issue.... YinTx

Quite the interesting article. It would appear that most of the leather dressings might be detrimental long term, as I had mentioned I had read elsewhere. But the effect on the feel and smell of the leather is not mentioned, which I think is a pretty important topic for the buyer...I tend to think most of what I make is destined to be used and abused, not stored in a museum, and I have to attract a buyer first! Veg tan leather looks pretty dull with just a dye finish, the dressings bring out the beauty.. YinTx

Kinda like Segdwick's leather has a bit of that smell 'o fish... I had heard that beeswax keeps leather from "breathing" by creating a bit of a seal, and thus it can not absorb moisture, and thus dries out faster than if it did not have beeswax coating. Anyone know if this is so or not? YinTx

Also, just fyi, a lot of people are allergic to turpentine. Using petroleum products such as hexane might cause health hazards, especially if people are applying bare handed. A lot of the other ingredients might be found in hand lotion, so would translate well to those not using gloves - ie any one putting product on their own leather goods that they are using at home. Just my $0.02, free, so worth only the price of admission. YinTx

Thanks! YinTx

Worked the top edge some, I was not happy with it before or after. Finished stitching. Ready for delivery! YinTx

Awesome, let us know! YinTx

Wow, that is fast. I'd take more than that just stitching, but apparently I'm slow. I am even more in awe now. Just curious, where did you get the transparent thread that you used along the top of the zipper? YinTx

Thank you, 9tpi. Getting a little further along today.. liner is in, partially stitched.. just the 2 short sides to go and finishing touches... Fighting this leather some, as it will not sand.. so waxy it just ends up sort of burnishing instead. Which makes having flat edges without glue at the seam a bear. I put together a trial piece of leather so I can experiment some with irons, wax, burnishing sticks etc. to see if it is possible to make that last edge cleaner. YinTx

Would you mind taking some photos and sharing as you go along so we can interpret RockyAussie's instructions? Many thanks! YinTx

Yes, I had to learn to do that left handed as well for this type of design. There were more than a few injured finger tips as I learned to do that! YinTx