dikman

Now that's a thread hijack! (Cool buckle, by the way).

Very nice job, Langston. The flag design is different and, to my eyes, well executed.

G'day plinker, yep, I've made a couple of rigs for fellow club members, a bit more elaborate than mine and for shorter barrelled revolvers. They seem happy with them, but if you see my other thread (McQueen) I'm heading off on a slightly different tangent now and looking at things differently. My long-barrelled revolvers are a slight handicap, so I need to re-consider the holster design (I'm also contemplating removing the front sights so they can't catch on the holster).

I figured there had to be a reason that you made them like you did, Red Cent. From what I could see in the movie, on McQueen's holster the back flap appears to finish just under the belt and doesn't extend down, as in a skirt. I've only made three pairs of holsters thus far, and all have been what I might term fairly conventional. This thread, and the info I've gleaned thus far (thanks to longtooth and Red Cent) have given me a whole new insight into making holsters. Lots of thinking going on in what passes for my brain.........

Nice rigs, Red Cent, but the back of McQueen's holster is different to yours, the belt-loop fold-over on his is shorter and folded in tight to the belt. It also appears to be attached to the holster immediately under the belt, to hold the holster rigidly in place. This detail is what I can't find. Longtooth sent me some photos of what I suspect is a later holster and I can make an educated guess, based on how Andersen made this one. But it would be nice to get it right. Might have to borrow the movie again and watch carefully for any shots of the holster.

Now that is nice work! Yep, two of mine I can't tilt back. One I have to loosen the reducer to slacken the belt (no big deal) and the other (post-bed) machine doesn't have hinges and is too tall to tilt anyway, so I just lift it out bodily!.

Alex, I doubt if the coke will do anything, but by all means try it and let us know. (They took all the "good" stuff out of coke years ago, now it's only flavoured sugar water). As Darren said, 0000 steel wool, which is pretty mild stuff, used with kero or WD40, might be as good as you can do. If it doesn't do much with the stains at least it will remove any oily coating.

Don't worry about it, mate. My first effort was an open steel frame, sandwiching the bearings between plates, and a wooden pulley I made myself. There's a photo somewhere on one of my threads about the Singer (51K59). Looked pretty crude, but it worked! We all have to start somewhere, and it's only by making things that we learn (and get more ideas!). You've got one big advantage over me when I started - you've picked up pulleys, shafts and bearings so have lots of stuff to play with. And remember, as long as it works for you is all that matters.

Yep, although they call it a "de-corroder". After a bit of searching I found that the active ingredient is Citric Acid, which can be bought pretty cheap at supermarkets etc. Nothing special about it, I use Citric Acid to clean my brass cartridges in my tumbler. The main problem, in this case, is that it is a very slow process because it's such a mild cleaner. It's pretty difficult to get it to stay put on vertical surfaces so it can react with the rust, generally these sort of cleaners work best when the object can be immersed in the cleaner.

Thanks Uwe, but the final product is pretty rough when you get up close! I figured it doesn't need to be a work-of-art as long as it's functional. I've noticed that you seem to have a knack for engineering some pretty nice things, so I'm interested in what you can come up with regarding pulley reducers. Mine is based on pretty standard procedures for making these things (fixed/clamped bearings, as you point out), but if you can come up with a "floating" type it may prove better, as there's less chance of clamping things out of alignment. The interesting thing with this one is the speed. I'm using a "standard" Consew clutch motor, and the needle speed is now very slow and feathering the clutch makes very little difference. This is on my post-bed Singer, with wheel rather than feet, and I just managed to snap a needle most convincingly while trying it on 1/4" leather!!! This machine does not like thickish leather, I've found, the roller wheel seems prone to causing a slight needle deflection on anything but thin leather.

I'm sorry, thunter, are you referring to me? If so, I'm well aware of Renaissance Wax, and have been for many years. It was primarily developed for coating blades - swords, knives etc - for display purposes in museums. It is sometimes used by knifemakers/bladesmiths.Some museums have used it to try and preserve leather book bindings, but have found that it can cause long-term problems on leather. On metal, however, it does work well. If you're suggesting to use it to try and remove rust stains, then it's worth a try, I guess (although it does tend to be on the pricey side) but I doubt it will be any better than a good quality wax-based polish. It is intended to be a preservative, not a cleaner (although it does contain white spirits, a solvent).

OLDNSLOW, this is a photo of the latest one I built (just for ideas?). I used a piece of black pipe that was fractionally bigger than the bearings, cut a slot down it with an angle grinder and welded lugs to it so that it can be tightened up on to the bearings. The vertical pieces have slots cut to give some adjustment and one piece is welded to the pipe and the other to the bottom piece. The shaft was turned down in two steps, one for the bearings and the other for the 3/4" needed for the pulleys (the big pulley was too big so I had to turn a sleeve to fit the shaft). This was a bit of messing around, but I was trying to use whatever I had lying around, so cost was $0. The large pulley, coupled with two small ones (one on the motor) had a dramatic effect on the speed!!!

Thor, at the risk of being berated for keeping off-topic, I have no idea what GT85 is, never heard of it out here. Dupont Teflon spray was brought into the country some time ago but was discontinued. When queried about it by people constantly looking for it they were told that there was no demand for it so wouldn't bring it in! As for Johnson's Paste Wax, many have looked for an equivalent but again, there is nothing that is quite the same out here (I have compared the MSDS on many products and can't find a match). With regard to the OP, rust stains can be a problem due to the fact that they often get into the paint surface. Sometimes they can be polished off, but with anything other than kerosene/WD40 type stuff you run the risk of the paint lifting too. Electrolysis is a good way to remove rust without damaging the metal, but if the rust is under the paint then again the paint will probably lift.

Already been to that site, lots of good info but no help to me. Longtooth, that would be great! I'll send you my email address. I've read a lot about Andy Andersen, and his holsters/belts, and seen lots of photos - but nothing about the back of the holster. I could make it up, of course, and just do my own thing, but it would be nice to "get it right" in homage to the man. Unfortunately, I will have to make the holster a little longer than the McQueen version as while I have long-barreled revolvers I don't particularly want to remove the front sights (which will probably catch on a shorter holster).

I'd like to make a copy of the rig used by McQueen in The Magnificent Seven. The only problem I have is with the rear of the holster as I haven't been able to find any photos of it (they all show the front!). It appears that the holster is basically one piece, with the belt loop (shank?) folding over the belt and is then attached to the back of the holster. So, how is it attached, what shape is the rear piece and how far down does it extend? Anyone know?

My apologies, hyttogpine, it was my interpretation that was wrong. And don't feel bad, I was told by my language teacher, many many years ago, that English is actually the hardest language to learn, so you're doing well. I, too, wonder why some don't include their country .

hyttogpine, it's helpful to know where someone is from when offering advice and/or help, because there are many products that, while common in one country (the USA in particular) aren't available outside that country. For example, Johnson's Floor Wax is widely referred to on model-making forums, shooting forums, woodworking forums, just to name a few, but it is impossible to get here in Australia. DuPont Teflon spray is very popular amongst motorcyclists for lubing chains, but again it can't be bought here. If we know where a member is from, then hopefully information can be given that is relevant to that person.

Sounds like you did well with finding that lot. Whilst I used metal to make my housings, there's no reason that you couldn't use wood to hold the bearings. Like I said, it's a lot of messing around, but I consider it a challenge.

Sorry about the smiley in my post, it's not supposed to be there! Apparently if I use a bracket and lower case b it inserts the smiley instead.

I just remembered that when I was buying a belt at my industrial sewing machine place they mentioned a belt material that is circular in cross-section and you buy whatever length you want and then use a special joiner to make it one piece. It's some sort of synthetic stuff. I must ask again (and write it down this time!).

Uwe is right, it's a lot of messing around building pulley reducers - pulleys, suitable shaft, bearings of some sort, mounting for the bearings, a method of making the support adjustable. Those commercial ones might seem a bit on the expensive side, but they're neat, compact and relatively simple to fit. As to size, if it's home-built it could be anything, depending on a) what the builder has lying around or what he can buy that's suitable. One of mine uses the typical 4"/1 3/4" pulleys that are commonly available on ebay (3/4" shaft). Another uses an 8" that I had lying around coupled with another 1 3/4". As for changing the handwheel, it's not that difficult, although it will obviously depend on the machine - my Singer 211G166 is a problem (which I'm working on). I'm a great believer in the handwheel option, although it may mean widening the belt slot on the table.

Those frames certainly look stable enough! One thing about that type of cylinder arm machine - it makes it easier to mount when you don't have to make a rebated cutout in the table.

I see what you mean about info, the manual I came up with mentions 17-25 on the front but nothing about it inside! Nevertheless, looks like you did very well and picked up a real bargain there. Well done.

Actually, Darren, my experience has been that shipping within Australia is often on par with overseas rates, but yes, I should keep your store in mind too, thanks for reminding me.

It's for sale on Gumtree (our local ebay site) so I don't know if you will have much success getting the info you want. This is the link - http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/west-richmond/miscellaneous-goods/sewing-machine/1099259648