Chinese Imported Sewing Machines

[Matt S]

43 minutes ago, Garyak said:

They are completely different. I have both a cobra and China patcher. My patcher sews with the best out there. It excels in the fact that it can sew 207 on both ends, unlike the rest of the patchers (except Claes/pfaff) that top out at 138. A sewing machine is nothing but a tool. It’s only going to do what the operator makes it do. It’s only going to do what it was designed to do, and the China patcher does exactly what it was designed to do. Lots of folks are producing top notch leather work with it, ive never had a complaint. 4-3/4 stars when used as intended, without physical changes to the rig. Singer 29-1 thru the latest clone (cobra,techsew,Consew,etc) are all singer 29s. The China patchers next of kin is the Bradbury.two completely different set ups. 

And yet the one I had wouldn't pass TKT20/V138 in the needle with TKT40/V69 in the bobbin, which in the very least highlights the poor consistency and QC in these things. How long a seam do you get with those aspirin-sized bobbins in 207? What needles are you using? And... who are these "lots of folks producing top notch leather work" with a Chinese patcher?

25 minutes ago, Garyak said:

China leather patcher, enduro pro 220v ran 110v.  207 cobra thread- UY 180-200 22,23. 

 

If you're happy with those seams, more power to your elbow my friend. They aren't what I'm looking for. Are you pre-punching your stitch holes before sewing?

[Garyak]

Who’s making top notch work with them? There’s a few hundred of us over at Patcher Solutions (Proven DIY) FB group. Shoe makers, sheath makers, patchers, etc… if it’s patchers, or patcher related, it’s there. Need help, tips, it’s there. You’re invited. P.S. A pair of custom Air Jordan’s made on the CLSP will set you back a grand. 

[Spyros]

3 hours ago, Matt S said:

Are you pre-punching your stitch holes before sewing?

Yeah that seems to be a critical detail.

[DrmCa]

10 hours ago, Garyak said:

China leather patcher, enduro pro 220v ran 110v.

Do you mind me asking how you transfer power from the motor to the handwheel?

[fredk]

Tell me somat please; this thread applicator does not appear to have dogs for moving the leather between stitches, so do you have to move your item along and sort-of guess where to put the next stitch? With pre-punched holes you'd just be aiming the needle into that hole?

[chrisash]

Have seen "Pre Punched Holes" mentioned before, why would and one combine pre punched holes and then use a sewing machine, What am I missing?

 

[Frodo]

[kgg]

53 minutes ago, chrisash said:

Have seen "Pre Punched Holes" mentioned before, why would and one combine pre punched holes and then use a sewing machine, What am I missing?

The advantage, I think, is being able to use larger threads without the machine having to contend with the stresses of forcing the needle through and moving thick material. The benefit is being able to use a less capable less expensive machine while giving a good looking stitch.

kgg

[DrmCa]

1 hour ago, fredk said:

do you have to move your item along and sort-of guess where to put the next stitch?

No, you do not. You simply allow it to advance the material, and you turn it by nudging it in the right direction.

[chuck123wapati]

There have been three threads on this same subject in the last week. A tool, a good tool doesn't need fixed before you can use it. Doesn't need you to do half the work its intended to do.   That's why its a tool its to make life easier not harder, more complicated ,or more difficult. No one would buy a new car and expect to crawl under it and start working on it just to get it to go. Just from  from the many pictures it is not hard to see it is terrible manufacturing, everything from poor foundry work, terrible machining to a tripod stand that wouldn't hold up a iPhone. Its appears to be a copy of the old singer made 120 years ago with one exception the one 120 years old worked right out of the box was better machined with better casting and many are still in service. By the time you punch all the holes by hand your halfway done and stitching isn't the hard part.

I would like to see one person that can sew a foot/12 inches  with this machine without pre-punching, making a decent stitch on both sides and no feet marks, something that would be saleable. It was designed to sew, moving the material without marring, punching the holes and inserting the thread, tightening the stitch neatly on both sides and ending with a backstitch.