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Well, there is ONE other worth seeing. I mean, it's not that long.. only takes a couple minutes in to get to the guns and holsters part. Says as much about holsters as most (Sam being the exception), and the music playing is actually the property of the correct people! But then, if you can watch that video, with a saloon full o' girls that look like that, and still be thinking about making holsters -- then you have far larger issues than I'm gonna be able ta help ya with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWNKHi2joJE

But I see my daughter did manage to use my account to "like" a bunch of cute puppy videos

I don't much mind paying shipping -- I wouldn't likely do it much for free, so don't expect anyone else to do it free, including the post office. If someone getting the guns from the manufacturer, having them sent to them, then marking each one up $10 is acceptable, then certainly you wouldn't fault a guy for charging for a legitimate service. The shipper takes your package from one location to another -- no problem paying for that reasonable service. But the "retailer" or "supplier" just gets something I could get myself and then charges me more for it because he / she can. And they "can" only if I allow it. Now, someone will say that blueguns are supposed to be $50 each. But they aren't - they're $40 each, plus whatever "suppliers" feel they can tack on. I simply can't see the logic of paying someone 20% more for something when they aren't doing anything to make it better. But this was never an opinion poll, or a vote. Just information I sometimes point out here and a few other places, stuff which might be useful to leather people. I'm not trying to persuade anybody - I'm just stating what I will be doing. If absolutely nobody is interested in "getting in on it", I'll do it anyway for myself In the same way as ordering leather from Hermann Oak makes sense, so does this. But while I'm interested in saving $10 per gun, I think I've done enough of this thread

Just checkin' in.. still nobody found one, eh? Yeah, me too. Oh, no ... how scarey is it when you see a video titled .. 'blahblahblah.. PART ONE"

Yeah, "detail" would be nice, but I'd actually settle (for now) for just one that actually SAYS something, other than 'here's yet another guy with a camera' I've made a couple patterns here n there, and I don't actually know where I would add 1/8" or 1/4" (except, I do figure in quarters, since that's the spacing of the graph paper). IF anything, I measure teh gun and subtract a bit for radii 'n' stuff. I don't know the vids you talk about, so maybe tha's just two guys sayin the same thing a differnt way (?). At my place, it's more than a 'guess', but I admit that I don't always hit on just what I want the 'first time around'. But after making the first one, it's generally pretty clear where any revisions are needed (if any). But we mighta been from the same era... I don't like "skosh" and 'dab' neither (though I do talk about 'stuff'). But no matter what name a guy gives it, I want holsters with a stitch line that conforms to the gun it was made for. I don't care for holsters with a stitch line (even the ones some people want money for) but then they had to 'bone' the holster INSIDE the stitch line (that holster will loosen up PURDY QUIK like - up to the stitch line). I mean, that's what the stitch line is FOR.. otherwise, we could just do like them other folks.. just put a stitch line ANYWHERE IN THE VICINITY, and tehn bone INSIDE of that (this - to be clear - is sarcasm.. I will not be doing that). I wanna see this ... UNLESS YOU STRETCH EM, these holsters will not loosen up.

Yeah, I thought the Andrews video was longer than it maybe "needed" to be, but in teh end - it's GOOD info, presented clearly and chronologically in order, so no complaints. It's the ones that ask you to watch for 20 or more minutes and never do say anything useful that irritate...

Nice color! And the flap holster looks good too! Oh, that's one of the ones I'm re-designing.. pull them edges in a bit (it works, since so many people like that 8/9 leather, but I like 'em a bit tighter). In fact, I'm thinkin' I'm gonna make all the 1911's in about a 75/25 split (seams NOT down the middle)

No, but I'm surrounded by boxes of stuff.. does that count? Wife is gone up that way, so that definitely counts For the price o the house, maybe I should just feel lucky she only bot ONE?!@!

Hey, Bruce Actually, I was gonna do that, but Sam had it covered so well that it looked like making one would just make me another one of those in the long line of videos that don't add nuthin' Perhaps down the road I'll have another idea (hey, could happen...)

Yeah, it's the only one I have recommended - he don't give you the pattern, but the info is actually USEFUL. A fella never made a holster before could watch that video and have a pretty good idea howta go bout it. THIS is the point.. not another cheap 'hey everybody look at me' promotional poop Not that Sam wasnt' doin' a bit of advertising, cuz he was. But that's the difference between BAD advertising (not a vast knowledge, but has a camera and a desire to get people to spend time on a poo-channel) versus GOOD advertising (a guy who really does know and really will show you). THAT is what I'm interested in. If you make a "how to" video, then it should show how to do it. Due to the lack of replies here, I guess maybe that's the only one.

By way of a reminder -- - I DO take blue guns in lieu of cash

Okay, where is it? You know - that one elusive video that shows me how to make a holster pattern, or the holster. My baby girl figured out the password on my phone So I found her on poo-tube... and wouldn't ya know it, there's "holster videos" (sometimes holster stuff comes up in searches around my stuff). So, I admit it - I watched [portions of] about 10 of 'em. There I said it And in turn, each one of them took varying amounts of my time to show me the same thing Stohlman put in a book 50 years ago. Different gun models, but the same thing. So, seriously -- those who just want to bicker and argue, please do it elsewhere. Otherwise, DO tell me where the video is that ACTUALLY DOES show me how to design / make a holster. I know about the one Sam Andrews made (which I applaud). Is he still the only one? Now, I don't mean that a camera is running and there's a holster, and maybe there's a gun right there. I mean, if someone searched for 'how do i make a leather holster?' .. WHERE would I send them?

Assuming you're talking about a holster or two per package: Priority mail through the post office. Boxes are free, insurance is included, and it's pretty quick, and darn reliable. Couple tips: Don't put your leather in plastic bags and seal it. This is sometimes referred to as "casing' leather. Somebody will be here in a minute to argue that there won't be any moisture in the bag, but I assure you if it takes any time at all to deliver, there will be (humidity, condensation due to temp changes, etc.). Not good for holsters. And, I don't use newspaper. I have seen that stuff bleed off the newsprint onto whatever you're shipping. You get an item with backwards writing on it If your orders are more like 20 or 50 at a time, then perhaps a courier would work better for you.

Yeah, see this is what I'm getting at, sorta. Makes for a nice story, about the downtrodden shop owner who has to go to the post office. Here's a thought... instead of begrudging the cost of boxes.. why not just pick up some FREE priority mail boxes while you're in the post office? Better yet -- just have them delivered to you in 50-packs like I do.. they'll bring 'em right to the door, and they're FREE (and so is the delivery). And SINCE IT'S PRIORITY, the mail carrier will PICK UP the ones I send out. I don't generally do it that way, since that guy got enough to carry already, and I know the folks at the post office anyway. But I COULD just hand it to the mail guy, and not even go. And it's true -- the USPS charges priority shipping by zip -- but you know the zip from the guy's order, so no legitimate reason to charge $7-10 EACH gun. One gun may cost $8, but the next 8 average about $1 each shipping (depending on the size of the gun). Agreed. But I have that here, too. In the end, though, anybody who wants can charge whatever they want.. none of that is up to me. I'm simply saying that there is a better deal FOR ME. WHY would I pay someone else's "overhead", when I could just be paying MINE? If I buy 10 guns, I save over $100, and there's my electric bill taken care of. Is there ever going to be a delay ordering from down there? Perhaps - wouldn't surprise me. But by ordering this way, basically about every 5 guns I order, I get one free. If the next guy isn't interested in something like this, fair enough- no harm no foul. I didn't put any of this up to volunteer for an argument. Anybody not interested in something like this, feel free to ignore me at will -- no offense taken

Oh, since I'm pretty sure I'm on the right forum to have at least one want to argue about shipping charges (and whether my figures are correct).. here's some info to help you calculate it yourself (not that it matters, since I'll be paying it myself).. Glock 17 "blue gun" is about 8" x 5.5" x 1" and weighs roughly 13 oz (with a dowel taped on) Glock 42 "blue gun" is about 5.5" x 4" x 1" and weighs roughly 7 oz (no dowel) That should give a good starting point ..

This may not currently be clear. Here's the short version: Rings charges $39 ea for "dealer" pricing. Then shipping is additional few bucks. But many "resellers" are charging $50, then wanting you to pay "insurance" on top of that. But if you paid for priority shipping, that INCLUDES insurance, so paying "insurance" is just something they say to bump up the cost a bit more. BS. Now, here's what happens if you buy guns. If you buy ONE, prolly don't matter much. But looky here - how that "free' shipping gits ya when it's added into the item price....: So as I said, you buy one gun.. no big deal. But you buy 5, and "they" got you for $44 just for ordering from rings what you could have ordered with a phone call. At 9 guns, you're paying $84 "extra". To come up with these shipping numbers, I weighed 1 gun, and 5 guns, and 9 guns, and then checked the actual shipping charges from usps.com BUT.. teh $39 price is for "dealer" pricing, and to become a "dealer" one must cough up that initial ONE TIME order of $1500 (40 guns). After that, you can buy as little as ONE gun and get the $39 pricing. Seriously, I got all this info in ONE phone call So what I was suggesting was roughly what someone above called "group buy". If we need some guns anyway, I'll order them and have them shipped, then send out to the ones who wanted those models. I would be "taking a hit' on teh shipping - since I would be paying the second cost. But that's acceptable to me to get that first buy out of the way SO ALRIGHTEY THEN: If you have specific models you would like to pick up, send me a message -- I'll likely do this in about 2 weeks. Cost will be $40 each. I assume that will cover the shipping from rings to me, and anything it costs me to ship to you is my problem. IF on the other hand, you don't need any, or you do need some but don't care to trust me to make the group purchase, either way --- just walk away and don't worry about it

Maybe we wuz sposeta bid on it? I could prolly find sumthin to do with them there beader blades -- just aint sure what at the moment

And someone will want to know location, prolly....

This batch spoken for -- but I expect there will be more before it's over!

Cleaning out the drawers... off to the north! Findin' lots o stuf I forgot I had So all for one price.... $80 gitsem shipped in the US !!!! But act quick, they go in the mail or on the truck in a couple days! 1" strap end punch - never used lace maker 5-blade J.Watt edgers - some light use Large and small awl blades - new 1/8" creaser (border tool) 3/32" adjustable depth U-gouge And a bunch of swivel knife blades which - I admit - I am never going to sharpen EDIT: Puppy treats not included

Must be a hard case 'no returns' policy if you can't take it back after a couple hours ?

I like Renia glue. And instead of tape on the middle finger, I like a band-aid on the pinkies ...

That does sound like a lot of work. Still, that could be useful for models which are truly custom. If i don't have a particular gun mold - this does not make an order "special order". To be a "special order" there would have to be something about it that I don't commonly do to all of them, or a color I don't use, etc. Oh, thanks for the reply, though. Some folks scared of their own shadow... they might share something useful with the next guy! Pathetic, but true. 'Course, that don't stop most of 'em from readin' your tips, mind you. I had seen that site (if there's a simple but accurate drawing of pistol models, I'd want to know that too) but didn't find anything useful there (some pretty pictures, but nothing to scale).

Yep, cocobolo is purdy, but not any more effective. Chunk of wood dowel (usually oak) works well, and I haven't used it but some folks go on about aluminum.

Oh, and by "basic version" I mean this :