JLSleather

$41 is about the best price you'll see for that dummy. Personally, I'd spend the extra $10 and get the aluminum ones at Duncans. If the store is wanting to buy holsters and "can't get enough", then get at least two of the dummy guns.

TIghten the top tension? I would have thought maybe reduce bottom tension, due to increased diameter ...

I'm not sure I exactly followed this, but I think we're basically saying the same thing in different words. http://www.jlsleather.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Holster_Theory.pdf

Four years later, still the same conversations going on, so just marking this one. Making a pattern for a curved (or flat backed) pancake holster might take a little thought, and maybe even an extra sheet of paper or two. But it is done. Most of the ones who only make those "50/50" pancakes are generally just not willing to think it out to do it otherwise. This is standard answer in today's world, though -- just blame the wearer. Don't like the crap leather you got sent? You aren't creative enough. Sewing machine won't stay adjusted? You aren't doing it right. Holster is tight on the belt? You did break it in. Blahblah. I'm far from done - always laying out something. But here's a pic of a holster which is made from paper patterns. -- one for the front, one for the back. Retention is virtually the same whether the holster is in your hand or on your belt and cranked down. Slots are move IN (yes, IN closer to the firearm) than a "normal" pancake, taking less room on your belt, making easier to conceal, wears longer due to less "flexing" of the leather on and off the belt. Unlike so many in today's sea of marketing poo, I dont really feel the need to go make a video of something when someone else has already done that quite well. You want to SEE this being done --- formed pancake style holster from a paper pattern, precut parts before beginning - see Sam Andrews' view of that (well done, I say). There is no need for another video. Oh, incidentally, the holster Sam makes here is a lined holster, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsXw3gabqk#t=16

Example? No... you'd have to google it, or some such. I'm not talking about a bench top model here.

In fact, this underside "split" often IS "tooled".. to make fniished splits or embossed leathers. Course, we're talking TONS of pressure in a press, not a mallet.

You may be confused about what "suede" is. Not all suede is chrome tanned. When [what you are calling] vegetable tanned leather is leveled (split) the underside which remains is "sueded", but still vegetable tanned. More often, referred to as a "split". If you make holsters from a single layer of tooling leather, then one side (usually the inside) is "sueded". Lining the holster with a sueded split would make it thicker, heavier, but still "nappy" on the inside. So, back to the original question.. can you tool "suede".. then yes, you can if it's vegetable tanned.

When people "cold call" me, or fill my mail box (electronic or paper) with stuff I didn't ask for, they have cut their own throat. Even if it's something I intend to buy at some point, theyhave just succeeded in making sure I will get it from someone OTHER than them. My neighbor's son sells insurance. But not to me. Guess he figured since I like his dad that was "permission" to send me crap. Since i"m ALREADY a W/C user, then a guy could appreciate a call from them sayin 'hey, we got some stuff here you might like".. or maybe a flyer in my next package. But the mediacom "area representative" I didn't ask to come to my door got asked questions for an hour and a half and then told we werent' interested. He hasn't been back.. What -- that wasn't fun?

I try not to have stuff just to have it.. so if I don't need it, I lilely don't have it As a rule, benches requiring braces can be done by angling the brace BACK and down from that front edge. Course, I'm only 5'10", so I can get away with that mostly.

2' deep seems quite popular, but I actually like mine nearly twice that. I like a couple feet (at least 18") for tooling in front of me, and about that again for tools. Having said that.. my bench is falling apart. Trying to put off replacing it until I find out if I'm getting re-located. I do like the rock set in like that ..

You don't seem to be very good at this. I think that when selling on the 'black market' , fella sposedta NOT post in on the forums

FWIW... Do with it as you see fit. This is 'as shown', and I'll be not making this until it's fixed. 1911fail.pdf

Few years ago, I couldnt' get many to set right either... the 20's OR the 16's. So I complained at the tandy where I got them and the setter... STANDARD response... it's "operator error". But I'm quite tired of people selling me CRAP and then trying to tell me it doesn't work cuz I'm doing it wrong. Simple fix, while I was standing there, I walked over to shelf, picked up a pack of snaps and a brand new setter, threw 'em on teh bench they have right there (I think for 'classes') and said ."show me". 'Course, two tandy people couldn't get them to work, either. Turns out, tandy had changed the snap, but not the setter. Genius.

Yep, that's what took me so long to get around to it, too. Kept thinkin' I know I aint gonna like it! On a strip this wide, should be able to carry THREE mags. The reasoning was .... same 1/1/2" slots as the pistol similar look to the pistol enough room between mags to clear each other (which I then widened a bit to help allow it to "flex' on the belt) simple construction But I can see where this would be a pain in the back, even though on your side. So I'll re-work it. Loops would allow room for tension screws and STILL not be this big.

Yeah, just as i suspected. This thing for the double mag is WAY too long front to back 7"+. You could trim a bit here n there, but I'm scrappin' it... much nicer just put a snap-on loop on the back... easier off 'n' on AND take up less belt space. I stuck white thread in black leather so you fellas could easily track whazup... but I don't like even the idea. Gonna go a different way. Still, I'll purdy up the pattern for those who care to do this one.

Citation book? We got portable printers... comes out like a grocery receipt. Last hiway boy stopped me, tickets for speed, no seat belt, invalid registration (I moved, so address not correct), and a warning for my tail light out, which he removed since he verified my tail light was NOT out. So while it's spittin' out, I asked 'you boys gittin paid by the foot?" He didn't think that was NEAR funny as I did.

Still gotta verify some "stuff".

Sometimes. The first one is W/C drum-dyed chestnut skirting.. comes that way. The chocolate brown pancake style and the black with the elephant I dyed myself. And the black with white stitching came already dyed black (again, W/C skirting).

All of this is sold. Wait.. thassa different category....

And yet, still no actual numbers. But then, it is Saturday, after all.

Avenger style pattern for the 3" XDs now up on cutesy. 1911 .45 double mag is cut out, and I'll be stitchin' that later today wihen I got white thread in the machine. Gotta use the white, so folks can see it on the black scrap and maybe take advantage of the "look" and make their own like it. Think maybe I'll charge $1 for this one -- just think of it as compensating Jeff for the time. Keep in mind, though.. I'm not that bright AND I'm slow, so we're gonna need a LOT of the boys kickin in a buckl

Okay, then.. here's a bit. The squares on teh floor are 13" x 13", to give you an idea. The box is about 10 x 14" and weighs about 9 lbs and change. Just going by 4 floor squares by 4 floor squares with a bit of air space, I'm gonna 'guess' this about 14 sq ft? So you can see why I looked at it an extra time or two to decide where it goes. In the end, as is sometimes the case, it's eating up my time The black and brown shades are W/C skirting leather, and the natural is HO. Biggest piece of natural tooling is about 10" x 14" (I cut it to fit the box). Some smaller pieces still in the box. Oh, for general info and to whomit may concern... the top of the photo in brown is W/C drum dyed skirting "brown" and teh lower right brown is W/C "chestnut". I've got it out ot my way for the moment, but if you wanna look up the best way to ship it that works. Since it would cost $125+ to buy it, I wouldn't kill TOO much time savin' $5 on teh shipping

Well, that aint so bad. The shipping was a bit over what it "could" have been shipped for, but I think due to the type of box, and in the end.... I got what i paid for, just as described, at the price I agreed to, and delivered in reasonable time (OR to IA in 3 days). The box it came in is THE box i was needing, so that 'counts'

IN that neck of the woods, " a lady that knows her business " about has to be Sandy. But I don't wanna make dies... did that for enough years (though back then it was tool steel, mills, and surface grinders). I don't ask die makers to make me a belt and holster, and they don't ask me to make the cookie cutters