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I could have stated this more clearly. You could obtain a pattern, then follow that video, or You could make a pattern, then follow that video, or since you have the gun you could make a holster for it without using a pattern (and this is the video I haven't seen, though it may exist)

I like it. The accent appears to be shark, but -- correct me if I'm wrong -- anybody else see the blue elephant in the room ?

What the .... @#!?!@##$!!! The wench wife supposed to get me some coffee. Instead, she comes back from picking up her new car!@#!??? What was wrong with the old one? Wait.. we still have the old one too?

Got my breakfast with garlic, onions, 'n' jalepenos. Feel like I'm coming back to make sure i didn't miss an episode of my favorite show Wait.. did I have some affect on diplomacy and peacekeeping? SAY IT AINT SO - never live that down I'm with ya. Probably off in the other ditch here, though.. I've had more than my fill of people who are very skilled with Fakebook and Instagram, but whose leather skills are -- well, nevermind all that ... No preference from here .. delete it, leave it, whatever. If you think it sounds to others like a couple old women bickering and might somehow discourage the newcomer to teh site, wipe it out - no harm done. All I'm interested in is the list of resources, which is just as easily done in a single pdf (I think). I'm just lazy enough to try to get others to contribute to the list (save me some searching, too!). If your current set up allows for quick and easy removal of the Allman boys while leaving the girls, I'm okay with that NOW.. where's that chubby girl with my coffee ....

DARKER than chocolate? Yikes. Maybe I'll do these straps in walnut? Thanks for the pics!

So, is there some issue with presenting videos about the topic? Here's as clear as I can make it --then maybe I just go fishin' ... POST a link to a video you feel has value. Simple. Somewhere along the line, we have a list of links that may help other holster boys 'n' girls, saving them hours of searching and weeding out what isn't as helpful. The end. _______________________________________ NOW, just to bounce off other things that somehow crept in like weeds. I'm just going to put this here. I know most like to sneak around behind the scenes. But I'm not one of them Wayne → No worries, man. Mike → So you know, generally ... I'm not "opposed" to paid instruction. But I don't equate price with value. And I'm generally not susceptible to hype and hoopla (including 'name dropping'). Put a price tag on a piece of poop, it's still poop. I once found my buddy had the same shirt I did. I paid $40 at a store. He paid $80 at another store. SAME shirt. His store had a larger advertising budget and more sales people. Those things cost money, which is then added to the price of the shirt. But since none of that improved the quality of the shirt, I saved 50%. I think the difference is that Matt couldn't stand anybody saying that he got his shirt at the less "fancy" store. This is lame, clearly (small man complex on a big guy). But, "a fool and his money ..." I used to know a guy, called himself a contractor (I prefer 'con-man-tractor'). Need a new roof, siding, etc? Call this guy, write a check for $10k. Then he'll call some other guys, have them do the work, pay them $4k, cover the $4k for the materials, pocket the rest. Wait.. I'm paying that guy WHY? No thanks, I'll pay the guy who does the work. (In that particular case, the guy made an issue and irritated me - so I called the crew leader, set him up with his own commercial insurance and estimating software, and now refer HIM to anybody who asks about the work). I do not assume that because "so and so" endorses something that it's necessarily worth more than that poo I mentioned. I've had people who have never seen a cobra sewing machine tell me at length that they are very good and that's the one to get. Anybody not agree that's ignorant? They just parroting what they heard, or read, and that may be from another who didn't know what they were talking about. All of which adds up to -- I'm interested in the actual facts, the actual product - not the story that often comes with it. I know some people like to (need to?) have a receipt for $10k so they can "impress teh neighbors" with how much they spent. Personally, give me teh guy who does my roof correctly And more specifically, ... I have never had anything derogatory to say about your site or your lessons (if that's what you call them). Because I've never seen them. In the event I ever saw one, I would be rigidly honest about what I thought about it -- sell me a good product, I will tell people that. Down side, sell me something not acceptable (content, materials, price, etc) I will tell people that as well. For others who might read this whole discussion which didn't need to happen, Mike and I have never met. I don't feel bad or good about that But my friend Robert mentioned meeting you at some point. Said you were with some gal either had married or were about to ... and he described "seems like a decent guy" , which from Robert was actually a pretty glowing review (he didn't talk that much, and when he did he meant it). He added that he had taken some on-line lesson (something about cobra stitchers?) which he thought was a waste of time and money by a guy who he described as 'awful arrogant for no more'n what he does'. No benefit gained naming that guy here. Long as I'm on that thread.. never met EricA either. Or really discussed anything with him at all. Or seen his products -- other than pics on the web, a couple of clips that appeared in why-tube searches, and as much of the video above as I could take. I know he has some paid products, but I haven't purchased them since I didn't like what I saw for free... just not alluring to me. If teh next guy finds value in it, congratulations - no offense taken Just personal preference, but if I'm gonna watch a video with "no words..." (aka just pretty pictures) then I prefer this one -- pretty pictures AND holsters ..) Best part -- you can FF to about 1:30 it gets purdy good BOTTOM LINE, REALLY... This could have been a beneficial catalog of relevant information for those interested in making leather holsters - tooled or not. The rest of this never had to happen. SO THEN .. I'll continue to bookmark GOOD information, and offer it free of charge to those who ask. Someone doesn't want to use it - fair enough - whatever. I'm a little upset that I've never met that gal in teh cowboy hat (pick one, don't matter which). Other than that, maybe somebody contact somenone who removes these posts (c'mon - you know how to do that) and wipe it out. Whatever. Just don't touch that GOOD video (the girls, for those confused)... everything else will all work out

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in... The "general rule" is based on the fact that belt size is determined by leather thickness. Here's a tip, so is teh OUTSIDE measurements of a leather case, or a a holster (which is just another case). What happens (not counting the people who just plain lie about their waist size) is that they go by the size of the pants. But that is the size of teh INSIDE of the pants. Denim jeans might add as much as an inch to teh measurement, and this would still be the INSIDE of the belt. And most of us measure on the outside (grain) of the belt. The "rule" is, for each 1/16" of thickness, your belt needs to be approximately 3/8" longer. Assume you are using leather that is not mooshy and stretchy..., then IF measurement over your jeans is 36"... an 8 oz belt (1/8" thick) would be made 3/4" LONGER to teh center hole. and a 12 oz belt (3/16" thick) would be made 1 1/8" LONGER to teh center hole. and 'double 8oz" belt (1/4" thick) would be made 1 1/2" LONGER to teh center hole I could tell a story that would "prove" that, but this is the simpler, shorter version.

Gotno pic of the belt? I haven't opened the bottle yet, but couldn't stand the idea there was a color on the shelf I aint tried

Must be pretty new?? .... never seen it before, but thought I better try it. Just send PayPal for your subscription and I'll be glad to clue you in. Nah.. I'm jus' playin' Looks to be somewhere between dark brown and the chocolate - at least by the picture on teh bottle. I'll post something once I get the chance to use it...

That one IS free. The next one posted may or may not be ADDING ONE, though.. this one not as detailed, but still a good investment of six minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jnfga0x70Q The basics of making a leather paddle holster (kydex paddle insert). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsXw3gabqk A guy who never made a holster could see how JUST from this one video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLXPUcdN9_E No words, no grandstanding and yet easy to see whats happening all the way through

HEY.. do we wanna know FUNNY? In my WHYtube search, there's a playlist - containing 51 videos - by someone named Jack Patience. After 51 of those videos, a fella has EARNED the name Patience

Okay, silly me -- I'll 'bite'. I've clearly made a mistake... since charging money for something makes it "worth" more, all you folks been downloading those free patterns send me 10¢ each. Not that I'm determined to bilk you outta the dime, but it will make the patterns "worth more" Okay, there's my light-hearted attempt at humor. Now.. can we get back on the point of actually assisting other leather crafters, or is that just not going to happen here on LW? I mean, if I've misunderstood and that's not the idea - just say so - I'll understand Actually, Mike - that's not necessarily what I'm talking about (though a guy could include that). I'm talking about leather holsters. Could be pattern making, could be pattern using, could be making holsters without a pattern, whatever. In fact, I don't remember suggesting that it matters if it's free or paid. ↓

HEY --- 'preciate the concise response. Any reason you care to give for switching? I don't see any listed at Maverick. Have you not ordered at Roje? I still have some black from there, if you care to swap a piece to compare? This is about 4 1/2 - 5 oz thick. The stuff I returned from a different supplier was about 2 1/2 oz (not the reason I returned it). Not mentioning that guy, since I can't really say the product was substandard, just that i personally didn't care for it.

Anybody wanna share where you're getting this? I got some from Roje, no complaints. And I bought some from another guy.. but didn't care for it. I don't know enough about every species of shark, or the myriad of ways it's tanned, to claim that wasn't shark, but I returned it (they guy was decent about taking the return, so I didn't begrudge being out the shipping charges). Seems like I'm seeing it at $40-60 per foot -- that sound normal?

There, tha's now been done. 'Course, when I click on the video, it starts. Which reminds me again WHY that's a video I recommend. Hank 'n' Sam : show the actual process, explain what they are doing and much of why it's done, mentions specific materials and tools, includes no pirated pattern or music - IN 33 minutes, a guy is told and / or shown ... wickett & craig leather, barge cement, stitch groover and its use, different size edgers, dead blow hammer, sanding edges to even 'em up, duncans 'dummy guns' (and bless their heart they refer the name and location of the maker), brief discussion of why he makes these "molded to the outside" (curved), wet molding and use of a dowel for a site channel, forming with a shop press, discussion and showing of "boning" the holster, during the 'boning", you can clearly see that the stitching is AT the weapon.. not 1/4" or 1/2" away (except at the tension screw, which is also covered step by step later), edge coat (what it is and how to use it), use of wool daubers, neatsfoot oil, resolene finish (including a view of the manufacturer's bottle and a discussion and view of how he uses it), tensioning screws / spacers. And did I mention free?

Yikes, don't get 'em started about the way it's done ... we'll have somebody telling us he knows that subject has already been done a bazzillion times, BUT ...here's another one It must be mandatory to say "this is the way I do it.. might not be the only way.. and there's a thousand videos about this already, BUT here's another one...". Must be in the script But I didn't start out to make this a "bash videos you don't think are worth the electricity to make em" topic -- but rather, IF you have a video you found USEFUL how 'bout share it with the rest of us and save us the hours of searching (yes, I know there are some so petty that they figure nobody helped them find them, so they aren't helping the next guy either-- nothing I can do for those people). After a day and a half, ONE video added to the first one I posted. And it has "no words" (I'm quoting here). No matter. Sometimes no answer IS an answer. Maybe I'll check back in a few days ... To my shame, though.. I need to go comment favorably on Andrews' video -- in all the times I've mentioned, commented on, and referred people to Andrews' video -- I have never commented on his site, or so much as thanked the guy for making it much less making it available FREE.

Nope - not seein' anything about "curved" holsters 'cept for some kydex stuff (and most of that is trying to advertise something ) Anybody else got a tip? Keep in mind, it need not involve a making a pattern, or even using a pattern at all Realistically,.. after all this poo you jus' know if I gotta make that video, I'm gonna make it about a 12-part series

Oh, crap --- these are long gone to the point I forgot about 'em!

See - simple Let's add that one, then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFsXw3gabqk A guy who never made a holster could see how JUST from this one video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLXPUcdN9_E No words, no grandstanding and yet easy to see whats happening all the way through

Almost forgot... let's take this back to a list of videos we found helpful (in case anyone wants to skip over all that .. whatever that was).. That's ONE.

think I covered this. Now we're getting closer. If EricA or John B has a video you found "good" (useful to YOU)... then just let us know. That is the only point here. I thought (or perhaps only hoped) that the point on THIS site was to help other crafters, share some knowledge and experience. And anybody who has ever been on WHY-tube - like at all - knows there are countless hours of poop there. Some good stuff, too- - but you have to weed and winnow. POINT then-- IF I REALLY AM willing and trying to help other leather crafters, why would I not point them to videos which will actually help them learn/improve if I knew of them? When a guy contacts me to ask about how to do something and tells me he watched this or that video, then WHY would I send him to yet another which covers the same thing he already knows? (that's rhetorical, I would not do that). I AM however willing to send a guy to a video which can expand the guy's knowledge in some way (I'm sure prior to this thread i've sent a couple dozen people to the video I linked above). I could go on, but this is far enough off the path already. Back to the point, VIDEOS YOU (whoever) FOUND USEFUL, and roughly what it did for you. Anybody don't want to say.. hey, fair enough. Whatever. Just one topic ... by way of example. I get asked fairly frequently about how to make "pancake" holsters with unequal pieces, thus curving the finished rig. WAIT ... has that already been covered? Cuz I might make that video. .... BUT.... if someone already has made that one... then just post it right up there, right in here, right now. I'll be HAPPY to add a link on my site, in my signature here, on my WHY-tube page.. pointing others to THAT video (rather than making another saying the same thing). I don't need a duplicate video just so it's me saying it (a rough example of 'small man complex'). Now, all that said, I DO know of more than one who hung around here for the longest time sucking up info and asking questions, the answers to which were freely given. Then made paid listings offering that same info, but at a price (hint: while I didn't come on to 'disparage' anyone, I do admit that I don't have something "good" to say about everyone, thus my Mom's advice 'if you can't say something nice...") I haven't named anyone, nor do I intend to.

Wow... aversion? I'm the one who ASKED FOR videos And I specifically asked for videos which were found to be of use to the individual posting. I'm not talking about "levels". I'm also not "outing" those I personally think are of absolutely no value at all (though I admit there are some). I didn't ask for anyone to bash or even obviate anyone. The thread was - and is - IF there are vast hordes of videos with useful (to the individual posting) info, then here's where a guy could share it. I assume that if someone made and posted a video that they want it to be viewed, yes? SO IF someone posted a video that helped you, wouldn't you give them a referral? If you have "liked" a video, then let the rest of us know. How hard is that? OR .... if you don't know of one, OR if you know of one but it's [for any reason at all] some 'secret' that the rest of us don't get to see -- then just don't post. No trouble. SO FAR, we have 4 'votes' for Sam A. and ... well -- no "and" -- that's it so far Oh -- for me personally, I did watch about 25 minutes of video yesterday which was recommended. Complete waste of my time (I do waste some time, but feel that should be my choice of when and how much). Everything "covered" in that time was already made very clear by looking at just page two of How to Make Holsters.

Yep, like he don't mind the attention and advertising, but offering USEFUL info -- not just making noise in an attempt to be seen I aint goin' steady with the guy - just thought the video was well done Guess there aren't any others people would recommend?

Yeah, that's what I was thinkin' too. Just tell me it's gonna be $55 (or more). But that under the table sneaky crap that appears after the fact.. uhh.. no. Granted, they would need my zip code to calculate shipping if not using flat rate boxes.. fair enough. But this was way beyond that.