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What a cool machine! I have a Pearson & Bennion A1 but wasn’t aware there was an A2 as well! Exact dating isn’t possible but it’s Pearson & Bennion it is pre-1896 or thereabouts. Pearson & Bennion were acquired by British United in 1896, and after that machines were marked British United Sewing Machine Co. or BUSM. No idea what it’s worth, depends entirely on the collectors in your vicinity. If it were near me I’d pay a couple hundred NZD for it, just for the novelty value and interest.

If you’ve ever wondered what workplaces without OSHA and EPA would look like, here’s your answer. I feel sorry for that painter, and his family, and I don’t want to think about the poor sods working wherever those parts got chromed.

I think this is sound advice. If you have a dedicated binding machine, you have a dedicated binding machine; if you have a small cylinder arm machine with a synchronised binder attachment you have a flexible tool that can be adapted to multiple purposes.

I second Northmount’s advice to ditch the clutch motor and replace it with a servo if you can possibly afford it. If you’re going to go to all the work you’ll get a much better experience from a servo than a speed reduced clutch motor. You’ll also be able to add a needle position sensor, which is a big quality of life improvement. They aren’t terribly expensive really are worth saving up for. I will never go back to use a clutch motor on any machine I own now.

You may be setting yourself up for disappointment if you try and sew wallets on a 7-class machine unless you’re making extremely chunky wallets. They are not built for fine work. The needles and feet and holes in the feed dog are all huge and I’m not even sure it will tension wallet-appropriate thread without a whole lot of work.

I have a 30” arm 221 that came to me with a servo motor and synchroniser on it. I think the motor is a Ho Hsing but it’s not nearby to check. I don’t see any reason why any other kind of servo motor wouldn’t work so long as it had the required power. I also wouldn’t put anything less than a 750W on it, but where I live at least the price difference between a 550W and a 750W is trivial.

I reckon this bit should be made a pinned post on this forum. I’ve not seen such a succinct and useful explanation of check spring function and setting anywhere.

That was me If you don’t need the machine in a specific timeframe, and you’re comfortable with setting it up from scratch assuming it’s never been even vaguely adjusted, it might be worth it. I’m not a professional machinist or mechanic, but I’d stripped and rebuilt machines before I got mine. It still took me the thick end of 6 months to get it sewing properly. I value that as a learning experience now but it was a struggle at the time. Mine came from Hightex (CowBoy’s parent company) so I figured it wasn’t quite as much of a crapshoot as buying a random brand one. That said, someone else had done the same thing and had to completely dismantle the machine, flush machining debris out of the head and grind on a few parts before reassembling the whole thing from scratch before it would sew. With the resources available on here I could probably do that with a 441 today, but now that there’s a dealer in NZ who offer support etc. I’d be mad to and the next CowBoy machine I buy will be from the dealer. Not all machines are made equal, and not all factories making the same models do equally good jobs. I’ve got four Chinese clone machines from different factories and the Highlead is streets ahead of the others in terms of quality. The CowBoy/Hightex isn’t bad (except for the paint job which looks like they did zero surface prep beforehand). The Mercury is Ok but nothing to write home about and the rando brand one sews, but is not at all well finished and is kinda roughly cast. Fortunately it doesn’t get used much these days.

Thank you Uwe, that’s really useful!

Thank you Uwe, that neatly solves a problem I’ve been having. I see all the binder shells are for 9mm thick material. Does it matter if you’re binding over thinner stuff? I’m assuming the 9mm is a maximum thickness, not an absolute, so if I’m only binding over 3 or 6mm it should still work. Thanks.

I have a 45k25 I've been 'almost finished' restoring for about 7 years now. I had the head soda blasted then powdercoated. I'm very happy with the finish. It's a good gloss black, excellent film thickness with just a tiny bit of orange peel effect that can be seen in originals. Things I wish I'd done differently are having the head done all as one piece (which is how they were done originally but I ended up separating the arm and top for soda blasting and should have just left it as it was; and being a bit more explicit with the powdercoaters about what exactly needed masking and what didn't, because there are a couple of surfaces that didn't get masked which should have been. Overall I'm very happy with the result. It takes decals well and at some point I'll get around to finishing the decals and clear coating it.

Hi Willford. Whereabouts in NZ are you? I got a Cowboy/Hightex CB-4500 imported directly and it's not a process I would recommend unless you're already a skilled mechanic. I'm strictly an amateur and had time to learn how to get my machine up and running but it took quite a while and I had zero support. I absolutely wouldn't buy a machine off of Alibaba/Aliexpress. Parts, yes, whole machines, no. Not unless you're willing to have an unsupported non-working machine land on your doorstep. If I were you I'd talk to Auckland Sewing and see what they've got. They're the NZ distributor for Cowboy/Hightex now and I've always had good service from them. Their Internet presence is mostly TradeMe but you can email them. https://www.trademe.co.nz/stores/auckland-sewing-ltd

Biothane is just a pain to sew, regardless of the machine. I've sewn it fine on my 441 clone, and while the 205 might be a better engineered machine, it's not magically better in ways that are probably going to be relevant for sewing biothane. My experience of biothane was that you absolutely, positively, must use thread lubricant. I used silicone thread lube and that worked well, but be aware that once silicone lubed thread has been through the thread path it will always have some silicone lube on it. I'm not aware of anything that will reliably completely clean silicone lube off. I made a lube stripper for the lube pot on my 441 by poking a needle hole through a thickish bit of silicone cut out of an old reusable coffee cup lid. I poked the thread through this with a needle and left it inside the lube pot. It left enough lube on the thread to work but not so much that silicone lube dripped and sprayed around everywhere the way it did without it. The other thing you have to do with biothane is go up at least one, maybe two, needle sizes for the size of thread you're working with. The coating on biothane doesn't punch cleanly and it fills up the groove in the needle which stops the machine from throwing the thread loop properly and you get missed (or no) stitches. I ended up going up a needle size and cranking the tensions up as high as they'd go to get a decent stitch. It worked Ok, but if I was going to do it again I'd want to dedicate a machine specifically for biothane that wouldn't get used for anything else.

Hi Holly, To clarify, are you looking for the slide cover that goes on the top? I don't have a No.6 any more but my recollection is that this is a pretty simple part. Given measurements an engineering shop should be able to make one without any difficulty. I'm not sure how active he is on here at the moment, but Gordon Disher is near you and has a handful of No.6'es.

I can't add anything beyond the "bigger spring, new brake leather" other people have already said, but I'd love to know more about your japanning process.

I looked at a CH8B when I was hunting for a big stitcher a few years ago. In the end it wasn't worth it because feet and needle plates and other parts were too difficult to come by. Irrespective of any other merits and flaws, the Juki 441 clones from manufacturers like Cowboy/Hightex, Cobra, and Highlead have become the de-facto standard for modern heavy leather stitchers and as a result there is a much wider range of feet and needle plates and other accessories available for them than there is for other similar machines like the Seiko you're looking at. I ended up buying a Hightex (Cowboy) 441 clone from China. It was a bit of an adventure but I got a machine and a full set of harness feet and needle plates and a pedestal stand for only a little more than the Seiko I'd been looking at would have cost me. Since then I've acquired a Highlead 441 clone which is better built and noticeably higher quality (and at normal price, quite a lot more expensive) which the feet and needle plates fit on to just fine. As others have noted, a 441 type machine is probably overkill for what you want to do. You may well be better off with a smaller machine that'll handle thinner materials more gracefully.

There's more than one question in here. Bags, straps, belts, and knife sheaths are all very different things, made by different trades out of different materials. The biggest barrier to giving an answer though is that "leather" covers a large range of materials from different animals, of thicknesses that was tanned, curried, and finished in a huge variety of ways in accordance with the intended purpose. Two pieces of leather made for different purposes could have almost nothing in common save that they once graced the outside of an animal. Think about leather used for gloves and leather used for the soles of shoes. Both 'leather' but utterly different in nearly every physical property you can name. Pre-industrial leather is also a very different material from modern 'vegetable' tanned leather that's been tanned using a short process in highly concentrated solutions of tanning liquids, so you can't extrapolate backwards based on the behaviour or modern leathers. Most modern veg tan is machine thicknessed and has a highly corrected grain surface. If bought as russet it also tends to be quite dry because it's intended to be tooled or dyed and finished by the maker. Modern leathers don't tend to come in nearly the range of finishes etc. that pre-industrial leathers did, and pit tanned leather that's been slowly tanned over the course of 6-12 months is a physically very different material than modern veg tan. Of all the expertly-made 18th century shoes I've seen, none have had any evidence of rounded edges, even along the topline.

Edge slicking devices do exist in 18th century contexts, for example shoemakers used them for sole finishing on some work, but that doesn't mean it was a universal practice across all crafts that used leather as a material. Try narrowing down your search to the context of the project you want to make and then go looking for references to the tools that would have been used to do the job.

That argument doesn't hold and it's based on a bunch of unfounded assumptions. Firstly that an un-rounded edge is "sharp" which they aren't and secondly that rounding an edge is simple and fast which isn't necessarily true. It depends an awful lot on the item, what it's made from, etc. etc. The comment was made on FB by someone who isn't a leatherworker, so I wouldn't give it much credence.

My STH-8 will sew with 277 thread, but it doesn't like it. My understanding is that the CW-8 is basically the same machine in a cylinder arm configuration. Too much friction between the material and the machine. Because 441s have no lower needle guide like machines originally designed for needle-feeding difficult material, the needle deflects instead of feeding and you get inconsistent stitch length and missed stitches. Oh I wish I could go down that route! Unfortunately the cost of a Campbell machine landed here in NZ is around the NZ$10,000 mark, so that's not happening any time soon.

i find myself sewing some tightly curved things that are too small for me to do on a 441 clone, and I'm wondering what the smallest machine that'll sew with 277 or 207 thread is. Singer 45k is too big and I don't think a CW-8 type machine will be small enough or feed think thread. The stirrup plate on the 441 might be a so,union but I'm damned if I can get an acceptable stitch quality using it, and I've had zero luck feeding Biothane without a feed dog. Is there a machine out there that'll do this? Thanks.

it looks like the love child of a Singer 45k and a Pearson & Bennion A1. I can see turning that handle getting real old real fast.

I've tried that and it didn't work well. They weren't quite the right height, the out feed had no slope away from the machine and they were much too light so the drag of the fabric could pull them over. If you're building something for a permanently placed machine, you may as well build it directly into the table and not have to deal with the join between the machine table edge and the big table edge.

I would use the router around the whole circumference. You'll get a far better result that way. Take most of the material out with a jigsaw, leaving a small amount inside the lines, then take it back to the lines with the router. It does mean you'll need two templates, one for the full thickness cut and one for the corners. First route full thickness with a template like this: Then route the corners half (or whatever) thickness with a template like this That will give you a hole like this: You'll need a way to ensure the templates are perfectly lined up but that can be done by making sure the outsides are exactly the same size and clamping a builder's square on to the the table.

Router bits have cutting edges that are a certain length, say 1 1/4". With a router bit like that you can cut material 1 1/4" thick. If you want to cut material 1 5-16" thick you have to leave 1/16" of the shaft sticking out pf the bushing on the router. This is invariably a Bad Idea. If you can get a 1 1/2" bit, then you can use up to 1 1/2" thick material for your table top. That's more than enough for what you want to do. 1" is plenty for table tops like this.