hi all i lost the thread sorry here are the isbn I promised.
ENCYCLOPEDIA of signs and symbols........ISBN 1 85170 967 3: COVERS the pacific, africa, americas, china, eastern philosophies, japan, islam, societies and belief, celtic, medieval,heraldry and 20th centuary. 303 pages
ENCYCLOPEDIA of patterns and motifs.......ISBN 1 85891 221 0: covers ...... Europe, asia, africa, americas, australasia, 300 pages
sorry it took so long.