CowboyBob

I'll have to agree w?Art,It's a high speed machine that can be slowed down for more$$ & then I doubt if it would handle making holsters.We do have some customers using them for chaps & we do stock the 135x8 needles w/a leather point.The 281's will use #46,69 & 92 nylon thread. Bob

This Singer 29-4 has been completely disasembled,cleaned,repainted & put back together with any new parts that were needed & it sews like NEW. It will come with 1-thread wire, 2-packs of needles,5-bobbins & operators manual.The price w/stand as pictured is $650.00 picked up in Toledo,Oh. We will crate for shipping f/$25.00,and you'll have to pay the shipping charges. We do have discounts with alot of trucking companies. Bob Kovar Toledo Industrial Sewing Machine Sales 1-866-362-7397

Dave, Yes,this machine has a spring loaded foot,the outside swings back with the feed dog.This machine will use up tp 346 nylon w/a #26 needle,277 w/a#25 or 207 w/a #23 we always changed them to a 135x16 just alittle shorter needle that is very easy to get. Bob

I'll bet your right when he got the Adler he found it it would sew alittle heavier & smoother too. Just thought I'd mention we stock thread,needles & anything else you might need fot it. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Bob

I've sold a few of these models over the years & yes they will sew to maybe 5/8" or so thickness,they have a needlefeed,there's not much available for feet other than buy a standard foot & modify it buy cutting off one side or the other.It will take #277 thread easy & use the Schmetz 794S leather point needles that we stock. Bob

I should mention that I can't find shuttles for the 17class machines,they are alittle smaller diameter than standard. Art, I think your right about the 17-41 having rev I thought I had one here & was going to check the # but can't find it.I do have a 11-36 that feeds up & down the arm,reverse parts on it look just like the 17's do Bob

Well since you can't get gears for the 29k51 I'd say keep the Adler, parts are much easier to get & some Singers parts will fit saving some $$ since Adlers parts are very expensive. Bob

Art, I think your getting the little 17 class mixed up w/a 11 class,the 17's will sew maybe 1/4" w/69or 92 thread. Bob

Bob, I consider myself lucky to sell one HD Flatbed like this a year.So I'm not real interested in it,maybe you can try ebay. Sounds like that Union is missed,they are pretty good machines as long as you know how to adjust them.

I can't find anything online describing that model. Can anybody here fill me in on the most important details about them? I need to know the capabilities for thread and needle sizes, needle system, bobbin style, thickness of leather it will sew, known issues, etc. Also, what a typical price would be for this machine (see photo). Hey Bob, It'll sew to 3/4"thick using up to#346 thread,it's the same machine sa a 205-370 just that it's a flatbed alittle less versatile,since if you have a cyl arm you can make it a flatbed,it takes the standard large sguttle bobbins,794S needles system. It looks to be in real good condition & sell for more $$ new than the cyl arm model since they don't make many of them.New I think they are around $6,000.00 ,I guess if you can live w/o a cyl arm it's probably worth $2,000.00 We have a brand new Cowboy flatbed 441 that'll sew the same thickness f/$2,895.00 They are a very well built machine & not many problems. HTH, Bob Kovar

This is a series 29 machine if it has an arm,There should be a brass tag on the front w/a model # on it & then some # stamped in the bed that are the serial#. The ones to stay away from are 29K51,53,56. We pretty much have all the parts is stock for the rest. The thing to look for is play in the foot (front to back) & play in the gears that drive the shuttle back & forth,so you take out the shuttle & push what's called the driver clockwise & counterclockwise & see how much play it has this will indicate the condition of the gears. Do these people know how to sew on it? If so try it out, The price is pretty good & I've seen the stands alone bring $150.00 Good Luck, Bob Kovar

Best Regards from Arild-are you in Sweden?

Hello, We stock the needles in #14,16 & 18 & also have some #46 & 68 nylon thread too. Bob Kovar

MikTigger, Have you checked how close the needle is to the shuttle?Do you know it's adjustable by using the screw above the screw that holds the needle in?You loosen it & it'll move left to right & it needs to be as close as you can get w/o touching,this allows you to adj f/different sizes of needles & thread comdos.

WOW,That's a great buy!! I have the parts. Bob

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Well it's a standard household type of machine probably one of the better built ones.I looked in one of my suppliers parts manual & can't find anything for but the bobbins,bobbincase & needles aren't a problem,the needle plate could be but f/$20.00 & it sews it sounds like a great deal! You shouldn't have any problems using #46 & 69 nylon thread. We do stock the needles in a leather point if you have trouble finding them. Bob

Doug, Here's a page with the diagram of the stitch length mechanism. Bob111w old style stitch length info.bmp 111w old style stitch length info.bmp

Doug, Here's a internal view of the stitch length adjuster ,the screw @ 9:00 is where the part slides back & forth when you adj the stitch either by turn the knob DD in & out or you can takeout screw BB & turn CC in f/longer & out f/shorter. Does your screw CC have the pin on the end of it?Also is DD all the way in when trying to adj? Let me know if you have anymore questions. Thx, Bob Kovar

Here's a pic of how the shuttle driver should look when it's all the way clockwise. You'll need to loosen the set screw underneath on the farside & turn the bolt to adjust then retinghten the screw. Miktigger,I think your thread is correct size,do you have any idea how old it is? Singer 29 Timing.bmp Singer 29 Timing.bmp

One thing to check is the spring on the needlebar,lower the bar all the way down & look underneath the head casting where it comes out & you'll see a flat spot there w/a flat spring on it,this spring is supposed to be seated against the needlebar & pinches the thread preventing it from being pushed backwards when the needle goes in the leather. This spring doesn't cost alot either,the hardest part is getting the pin out of the top of the needlebar to change it. MikTigger,you say your thread breaks @ the t/u lever,1st what size thread are you using?Is there any grooves worn in it?

Ginny, FWIW the machines of these type are supposed to be used for repair work not finish sewing.I have seen people do some pretty nice work on them but you have to rub out the marks. If the top foot doesn't mark the material then can't grab it enough to pull it through,I have known people that have ground off the teeth,you then may need to asist by pulling it & then it can also skip stitches if it gets too loose. I measured an Adler 30-1 here & it has 10mm arch under the center of the spring which is alittle over 3/8" Sure it's your machine & you can do what ever you want,it's just that I've been in this machine biz for over 29yrs & didn't want to see you damage the spring,Adlers parts aren't cheap,sure less arch will mark less but it'll still mark & then with less pressure it won't hold thicker leather down,this is why most Adler 30's will sew alittle heavier than Singers.

Claire, It's a good machine for chaps & thinner leather,we pretty much have all the parts in stock for it. It does have a walking foot& needle feed & is well worth $175.00 but like a car give it a test sew & make sure it sews ok,they are alittle tricky to time & etc.

John, Singer had a light that clamps on it.

Hawgman, I am an Adler dealer & checked with them & they sell for $235.00,how many would you like??LOL We have also cut down the standard industrial bobbinwinder & made them work for a lot less$$