shoepatcher

A 105-64 is what Ferd built the first Bull out of. That would sew 1" of leather. German engineers from Adler came over from Germany to see the machine and were amazed it would sew. The had never seen anything like it. Ferd's son Ron told me the story some years ago. For those of you who do not know, I am talking about Ferdinand Jean Blanc who was a legend and a genius when it came to heavy leather stitches. I met him some years ago at the IFA show in Atlanta and the Cowboy boot show in Texas. He built the Bull and the Pro 2000. I heard he is in a medical facility now in Idaho. Great guy. glenn

I know what you mean. glenn

That means the lift is 14 mm but it will not sew that thick!!! glenn

send pics of the plate in the back if you can showing model number. glenn

This machine did not pre-date the Consew 227 which was created by Seiko. The Consew 227 machine was a copy of the earlier Singer 153K or W but with improvements. The 153b8b was made for Singer by either Consew or Brother. Maximum thread size is #138. maximum stitch length 5-5.5mm. 3/8"maximum thickness. I strongly doubt you can run #207 thru the machine., certainly not in the bobbin and probably not on the top. glenn

Hydraulic oil ike they use in tractor attachments. Only one or two types made. Your manual was mailed yesterday. glenn

call New England Needle and ask for Tom. He would know or would have them. You could also call Diamond Needle in NY. glenn

Chandler for a long time was the Adler importer here in the US. There were a lot of Chandler Adler machines here. That looks like a 105-64 which is a bottom feed, needle feed machine. Will sew 12mm with heavy thread #277 and up. Good machine. It was the heaviest Adler cylinder arm made until the Ferd came up with the Bull using a 105-64. Then Adler came out with the 205-74 in late1985 which became the 205-370. Uses needle system #328 if I remember correctly. glenn

It look like the 20-2. I would buy it. It has the original bobbin winder on it. Will have to be gone over but that is where projects are both work and fun! glenn

any pics? glenn

I may have a manual. USMC made the Model A and Model B clickers. They were hydraulic with a pump on them. Not sure what difference was between model A and B. Usually board size 18 x 36 or 20 x 40. 15-20 ton capacity. Hydraulic oil in bottom of the machine in a container to power the pump. Yours has the big head on it. Parts not really available anymore. Most in service have had the electrical board rewired or redone. The model C is a mechanical Clicker called and Ideal clicker. Yours definitely needs new hydraulic oil in it. glenn

Someone buy it. A cheap price. glenn

Awful big hole in the inner foot!!! Do they make a foot with a smaller whole? glenn

I would buy it just because of the rarity and the $100.00-200.00 price glenn

JNN, These old shoe patchers are designed in the old style of the 1880's. Great machines. Bradbury, Politype, Claes & Fetje, Dandy were all designed in this style. The cheap Chinese one is the only one made in this style today. Even Claes' design has changed. The needles it used had no scarf on them. It was designed later. Hooks are almost non existent. However, I found a bobbin that will work in the hook. It measures: dia. 0.604", height 0.206" , hole opening 0.161" Cost $1.25ea. Did you get my email on the manual for the clicker? Call Diamond Needle or New England Needle to get the specs on the #81 needle. glenn

Ok. Machine is a walking foot because I see three shafts coming down. One for needle, one for inner foot, one for outer feet. It is a 138W102 but the SV means special version. The HP does stand for high post. That is a rare machine. Never seen one. The feet changing would probably not be a problem. I had a double needle version of the 111 which was a 111W139 and the feet look the same. The throat plate and feed dog is another story. I think Consew makes a double needle walking foot post that might fit your throat plate and feed dog. We need to see pics of the feed dog out of the machine and the throat plate. what is the gauge spacing on this machine? Should be a number on the feet like 5/16",3/8"., you get the idea. As Greg stated, the most normal gauge spacing is 1/4" in apparel, 3/8" in upholstery. If you ever find prices for the different parts like the feed dog, outer foot, etc., the 1/4" is usually the cheapest because it was the most popular in a lot of fields. What are they selling it for? $500.00 would be a good price if it works in my opinion because of the rarity. Love to see more pics of the machine especially from the front and back. glenn

pics?? glenn

Toledo Sewing should have the springs here in the States. I would buy two if you are getting them. glenn

Klutes, Know this. A lot of parts for the 30-1,5,7, and 15 no longer available. Let me know if I can help. glenn

JNN, I will look again at another spot where I keep literature. That cleaned up wonderfully. That is an Ideal Model C clicker by USM. The produced 1000s' of these. Yours should have about 1" of travel on the head. I think these were about a 10 ton power in cutting. I have seen them retro fitted with another switch so that it took two hands to engage the machine. A lot of guys lost fingers on these things. glenn

Adlers are superior to Singer patchers in some ways. Parts are expensive and in a lot of cases, not available for older Adlers. The new clones are all copies of the Singers. Almost no one has copied the Adler which is a shame. The best Singer clone being made that I have seen is those made by Taking in Taiwan. The best patcher made is the Claes. However, expensive machines as are the parts. If I was 20 years younger, I would have had it knocked off by Taking in Taiwan. Superior design and feeding. Price is what kills a lot of sales of this machine. Just too expensive. I would have changed the needle system on the Claes. It uses a system #81 needle for the #10 and #20 models which is the only machines that use that system, The #30 uses system #88 which is a system that is over 150 years old. I would have changed the needle system 0 #332 LG which is the same system the Adler 30-5, 7, 50 and 70 uses. Their are Adler patchers out there but you have to look. The 30-7 and 70 models are in demand because of the high lift big bobbin. glenn

Looks like a Durkopp but their were other patchers that looked like Durkopp' s as well. This machine has a long throat on it. glenn

Specifically, are you are looking for a throat plate that the binder would mount to, is that correct? Can you get a part number for us on the part you are looking for? glenn

Might be maximum stitch length or a subclass number. B/C means between a B and C subclass as to heaviness. D being the heaviest subclass in that model. L means for leather. M means safety clutch. glenn

katit, I saw the feed dog on your machine in one of the above pics. I would replace that. Yours is worn out as well as the hole being large and jagged. A new one will improve the feed of the material. Just my two cents. glenn