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Indeed! It is unlike most other post machines I have had. It may have been transported here through the Stargate.

I have merged the entire previous discussion into this one. It will serve as background for new visitors to the topic.

You can also try to trade the sole bends, if that's what they are, for some leather that is to your liking. Somebody will have something you want in trade for the armor leather. Just post in a different section of the forum because all posts and replies in the section require a moderator's approval to appear in public view.

Yes. Contact Cobra Steve, or his assistant, at Leather Machine Company, in Highland, Cal. They sell a 14 inch wide leather splitter. They may allow you to split your leather on a demo machine. Otherwise, you will need to find somebody who owns a motorized leather splitter. Note that the leather would need to be cut into strips that fit inside the frame and cutting width of the blade. If you need a wider area cut down, it will need to be shipped to a tannery. They often have 4 foot and wider blade splitters. There is a tannery in Springfield Mo. another in Louisville, Ky, and lastly, one in Curwinsville, PA. The only one I deal with is Thoroughbread Leather in Louisville.

Read this article about burnishing edges, then look at his hand and machine mountable burnishers.

If you prefer to discuss burnishing techniques instead of machine edge binding, there is a better section of our forum where you will get better answers. The forum is titled: How Do I Do That I encourage you to start a new topic in that forum as this one is for leather sewing machines.

Okay, I'll join the foray. I currently have the following machines, some of which are used every day and others less frequently. Cowboy CB4500 (w/accessory pack). Used daily to sew everything from thick belts to holsters and other bulky items. Singer 139w109, a long body walking foot machine used daily to sew thinner goods with #92 thread. Used for patches on vests that are not over a pocket. Singer 111w103, a standard body walking foot machine that we bought out of a customer's car. It is a backup machine threaded with #69 thread. Used for thinnest leather jobs. Singer 42-5, a spring foot machine from the Roaring 20s. I use it occasionally to hem chaps, close the bottom of jackets and vests and some upholstery jobs. Singer 29k71, a small bobbin, short arm patcher on a treadle stand. Used almost daily to sew patches over pockets, repair purses and bags, go over loose threads on wallet interiors, etc. It is only used with #69 thread to minimize wear. Adler 30-7 patcher. This is a high lift, big bobbin patch machine on a motorized base. It is usually threaded with #92 thread, but occasionally I load 138 into it for heavier jobs. This is a go to repairs machine that is also used to sew cylindrical objects (e.d., dice cups). Singer 168G101, a 7" post machine with compound feed walking feet. It uses the same feet, bobbins and needles as the Singer 111w103. I use it to repair hats, to sew embroidered patches onto hats and to sew along the bottom of bags. It is usually threaded with #138 thread, but can handle #207 flawlessly (it was preset for 207). Singer 31-15, a bottom feed tailoring machine from the Roaring 20s. I thread it with #69 bonded, or standard cotton or poly-core garment thread. I use it to sew linings for vests and jackets, and to sew cloth projects. Rarely used, it shares the table with the 111w103. I have all manner of accessory feet and folders for this machine. Pfaff 4 thread, 2 needle serger. Used rarely to close and protect edges of linings, denim and other cloth that tends to run. Indispensable in a sewing room. Consew blind stitch machine. Used rarely on cloth pants and skirts for taking up and re-hemming. I should mention that my Dad was a tailor all his life and taught me to sew on his Singer 31-15, which he bought new from Singer in the 1920s or 30s.

When I got my CB4500 it included a set of feet with teeth on the bottom and a matching feed dog with teeth ("blanket set"). If your machine didn't come with these feet and feeder, contact Bob Kovar about purchasing them. They are listed in the pop-up accessories list for the Cowboy CB3200, 3500, 4500 and 5500. The serrated feed dog alone is listed at $50, plus postage. It would help eliminate slippage on Kydex.

Uwe; I have all kinds of zippers in my shop. You are welcome to come up to Burton and measure all you want. I have plastic, molded plastic, aluminum and brass tooth zippers. Most are YKK, but I have a few other brands in stock. The location is on my website: www.rw-leatherworks.com

A few years ago I bought a combination leather burnisher and sander from Leather Machine Company (Cobra). It can sand the layers until they are even. With the sides flat you can use an edge tool to remove the lip formed by the sanding from the top and bottom. The larger the number the more leather it shaves off the edge. I would use a #3 on your holsters. Then, wet the edges and rub them into the groove in the burnisher that allows the inside and edges to be slicked. In case that machine is too much money, there is a cheaper solution. Use a powered sander on the edges and an edge tool as described above. If you have a drill press you can buy a burnisher that fits into a chuck on a drill press. It is made by Richard Loy.

As far as I know and understand, Cowboy primarily sells through a network of distributors unless there is nobody representing them in a particular country or hemisphere. It is unlikely that their binder will ever be on Amazon as that would be outside the dealer network. 25mm wide bias tape, as in 1 inch??? If that is a double fold (finished edge) binder it will be useless on 1/4 inch thick edges. The tape would need to be at least 1.25" wide to have enough left to sew after folding under the edges. At 5 or 6 ounces, the strips would need to be about 1.5 inches before double folding. I think they may have quoted the tape width for a single fold attachment.

Bob, can you inquire as to what thickness the binder can handle in both the binding material and the edge to be covered? It looks like the "tape" is double folded. If true it would greatly limit the binding material to either very thin leather or cloth bias tape. I am envisioning approximately a 1 to 1.5 ounce thickness limit for a double folded leather tape. Or, maybe it can double fold heavy grade upholstery vinyl, like Naugahyde.

That is the wrong machine for holsters. The 29-4 is a cobbler's shoe upper sewing machine. It is meant to sew 4 to 8 ounces of leather. It can sew into 1/4 inch of soft to medium temper leather, but nominally with thinner thread than is suitable for securing a holster. The Singer 29 series manual recommends wetting the leather if you need to sew 1/4 inch of hard temper leather. The teeth on the foot will dig in even more than on dry leather and leave horrible tooth mark patterns. All that said, the 29-4 "can" be fitted with a #22 needle and the dime sized bobbin threaded with a few yards of #138 thread. You will be lucky to get 8 stitches per inch and the knots will tend to stay visible near the bottom layer.

You are going to have to contact a custom attachment shop to have one built to your specifications. Perhaps you could purchase an inexpensive folder to use as a sample to have one made that can do what you want in a metal fabrication shop. The last custom folder I had made cost me $428 and it was for double folding 1.25 inch bias tape over the edges of thin orange honeycomb vinyl safety vests used by Police and road workers. Before getting a custom binder it was hit and miss. With that binder the results were professional. Professional results can be sold to critical buyers. If you were to contact an Atlanta Attachment Company with your requirements they could give you a ballpark cost for a custom build. What would it hurt to send an email to Cowboy/Hightex in China asking them for the capacity of their big folder, or if they can modify it for you?

I forgot to mention that the $450 price also includes a synchronized moving mounting bracket and actuator linkage for a CB4500 (etc).

It looks like the top tension is already too tight, or the bobbin is too loose. That's why there are knots always visible just under the top surface. Try tightening the bobbin tension screw about 1 turn. If that doesn't help, back off the top tension nut. Check the top thread path all the way from the spool itself to see if there is any thread binding along the way.

@Nightshade I have an entire sewing room full of industrial and non-industrial sewing machines. Some are heavier duty than others. What I have learned over the decades I've been doing this are that one should purchase the best built machines that can perform particular desired jobs best and with the least downtime and that have plenty of aftermarket or real market parts available. To that end, while my primary bevy of machines are all walking foot or patcher machines, I do have one straight stitch tailoring machine that is best used on garments and satin linings. That machine is a 1920s Singer 31-15. It shares an industrial 20x48 inch table with an early model Singer 111w153 walking foot machine. I swap out the walking font machine for the 31-15, move the knee lever and adjust the motor position to accommodate the bottom feeder. That ancient Singer machine does a beautiful job on materials too light for any walking foot mechanism. Best of all I only paid $180 for that machine, including the table (Craigslist ad). I did swap out the old clutch motor for a servo motor I got from Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines. If you search your local (SC) Craigslist you can probably find some inexpensive low speed (manually oiled) Singer or Consew sewing machines, or even real Juki machines at a price you can afford. Then you will have enough left to order a brand new CB3200. BTW: Since you plan to sew holsters and sheathes, consider saving up for a full blown CB4500 instead. It sews over 3/4 inch, while the 3200 stops at 1/2 inch.

I asked Bob Kovar about this edge binder set and he says they are available by special order for $450. Bob owns Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines.

The Juki DDL-227 is not a walking foot machine, nor a leather machine. It is just a high speed straight stitch machine meant to sew cloth garments.

I use #277 bonded nylon thread, top and bobbin, with a #25 leather point needle when sewing holsters up to 1/2 inch thick. Beyond that I switch to #346 thread, top and bottom, with a #26 needle, and increase the stitch length a bit. My current holster machine is a Cowboy CB4500. A sticky topic is fixed at the top of the list of topics when you enter each forum. I happen to have such a topic that has been locked and remains in its place near the top of the entry page of the Leather Sewing Machines forum. That topic is labeled: The Type Of Sewing Machine You Need To Sew Leather. All of the topics that don't move down with time are called "sticky" topics. It is done by our forum's software.

As needle size number increases, so does the diameter of the business end. As the bonded nylon or bonded polyester thread size increases, so does its diameter. There are very few sewing machines that can even approach using 1mm thread. None of the ones in common use or new ones for sale from our dealers can do much more than 1/2 mm diameter. Only needle and awl or shoe sole machines can use 1mm thread.

The UFA is a small bobbin patcher machine. It was designed to sew shoe and boot uppers with thin thread. The intended thickness is limited to about 1/4 inch. The foot has to have enough clearance left to lift off the leather and move forward for the next stitch. The thread handling capabilities are too small for the thickness needed to hold a holster together. Lastly, the maximum stitch length of a factory new patcher like that was 5 to the inch at about 1/8 inch. Even if a holster edge could fit under the foot and the foot had enough jump left to pull it along, the maximum stitch length would likely drop to 8 to the inch, or less.

Been there and done that. Installing a roller equipped or an even feed foot does improve the feeding of two layer seams. But, both types reduce the available clearance under the foot. If the original foot allowed for sewing 1/4 inch of material, a roller or even feed foot may only allow between 1/8 to 5/32 inch. Also, in order to sew a veg-tan leather belt on a model 66, the foot pressure spring screw may need to be cranked all the way down to keep the leather from lifting with the ascending needle.

Buy System 135x16 leather point needles in sizes 18, 19, 22 and 23. This covers a bonded nylon thread range of v69 through v138. If you are going to sew cloth or woven material, buy 135x17 round point needles in the appropriate sizes. Your machine can use up to #138 bonded thread. It can also sew with thinner thread than #69. Here is a thread and needle size chart to help you choose the best combinations.

Your Singer 66 is a straight stitch, bottom feed machine. It can never be a walking foot machine. Those have three bars coming down. Yours has two. It will always only be a bottom feeder. That said, the model 66 can sew with #69 bonded thread and a #18 needle, which is its maximum size. The maximum thickness sewable depends on the density and collapsability of the material. Cloth up to 1/4 inch is doable. With leather you will likely max out at about 8-9 ounces. It is possible that your mileage will vary.