RockyAussie

Sorry my friend but they often get hacked up so I can remember what thickness of skive and splitting I did cause I just am not be smart enough to write them down as I go.Probably because I'd never remember where I wrote it I even where that book would be. If you want a croc one I'll do it for you for about $2600 au. That's about $2000 US I guess.

Just to finish off this pattern tester this pic shows the front and middle pockets attached to the gusset. Here I did a test with my phone and a pen for fitting. Note that the binder over the edge is a must as the zip will snag a bit if the binder is not attached These next pics show the bag all stitched and the test is a good pass this time. The croc making ones are next to come. .

Thanks but honestly I have a terrible memory so I just book mark my post and when I have to make another I come back and see how I did it.

Now the dreaded Zipper ...... After cutting the leather to shape and giving the inner edge an edge coat I use a template to mark a line in 7mm from that same edge. Note that the zip and the leather has had line up marks to get the positioning as accurate as possible. This is contact glued up on the zip and leather. This shows the zip now attached into place Next the leather lining of the same size is attached into place. It has the inner edge edge coated as well. This piece has the zip sewn into place now and to cover the ends I decided to make up some little cover pieces. This will add strength to a part that will have to endure a lot of pressure later. This tab is now glued back over the zip and leather edge and readied up to attach to the bottom gusset section. Here shown are the back and its D and strap attachments as well as the front and middle pockets combined and ready to have the gusset attached to them both. Here the gusset has been connected and ready to have a double lot of stitching on each side More to come soon.

Thanks for confidence vote Gary but to be honest I'd be a lot happier if I could get the pattern right the FIRST time. Camera's playing up a lot but I will keep posting as best I can. The first mock up is a thick a quite firm chrome tan that is not all that cheap but I use a lot of it on a wide range of products like belt backing and alarm pouches etc. The second mock up pattern tester is an oil tan veg or retan I get here called "Jungle" from a southern supplier or "Whisky Chopper" if from East Coast Leather near Brisbane. I picked these leathers due to them being around 2mm+ thick (5+oz) as the croc is very thick to start and getting it sanded down to below this thickness can lead to holes. I will load a few tips on the zip in a bit more detail later but I will put a little bit on it here tonight as well for you and @alpha2 To more fully check the patterns and my leather linings and their layout I decided I best make a more complete bag. Some of the croc skins are smaller than others and require some more segments than the larger skins so I also broke up the leather bag into the smaller segments patterns as well. This picture shows the front shaped pocket made up along with the piece for the strap that attaches later. At this stage they have the lining attached as shown in the following picture and have a 1mm foam between them. They have also been edge coated and stitched as well. Lining side below This one shows the 2 parts that make up the back. The lining piece shows the zipper pocket and the outer back leather shows the 1mm foam attached. I will show some more on the technique for this little zipper installation when I do the next croc bag. This is the other side view of the above picture which shows the second pocket on the lining as well. Next I have spray glued the edges to combine these 2 parts. This shows the parts now conecte4d and ready to have the lining edges trimmed down and the line up V cuts put in. This pic shows the top section of the second pocket that will have to be made up in 2 pieces on the bags made using the smaller croc skins. A stitch is done around 6mm or 1/4" in from the edge as shown. This is then glued and tapped down and recut to size. The inner curve part will be edge coated at this stage. Here is that piece connected to its lower lining piece as well as the opposite side of that section that has a phone and pen pocket attached. This section gets ful;ly attached together and trimmed to size again with the V cuts put in as well. This is the gusset bottom section with its liner spray glued and ready to be attached. Note that the outer part has been made from 2 pieces as well. More to come

This shows a few of the steps I took along the way as I made this bag. There are 4 bags to be made out of Australian saltwater crocodile skin and to be ready over the next week coming. The background to this is that these four Chinese customers I have done works for previously want to revist Australia and get me to make them each a bag to take back home with them. As this has been done in such a rush some of the bag hardware I wanted to get from Ohio Travel and flashy zips did not get used. AS hard as I tried I could not get my pattern measurements to work satisfactorily as shown below so I decided o resort to some old steps from my shoe making days.The first couple of pictures show the first bag as complete. This following picture shows my first disastrous patterning effort using cad software. Here following I resorted to making up the shape I wanted by gluing and sanding up some craft-wood and then like the old shoe lasts I used masking tape to do multiple overlapping layers around the shape. With the patterns broken down into 15 degree increments I transferred these spacings onto my mould and the masking paper.These marks are for aligning the pieces as they come together. Next the masking tape I removed and l flattened onto my cutting table. This was then attached to an A3 sheet of printing board. I then took a picture directly overhead and placed it into my cad program to trace around and bring to match the correct size. It could be done without this step but I like to have all of my patterns stored together. This next pic shows that the bag now sits flat and I am on the right track. I will post some more pictures later. Brian

Lefa board and Texon are very similar but I thought the Lefa was only quite thin. The Texon comes in 2 or 3mm and I would have picked the 3mm. Looks very nice at any rate.

Ripstop fabric comes in many thicknesses but is hard wearing and has the advantage of not fraying on the edges. I have in the past made some totes that fold up completely from ripstop with croc or ostrich trimming. First pic is ripstop and the next is leather but shows how it can be folded up. The others are also ripstop and show how the clips at the ends allow more capacity if required.

Very big difference.... see chart below.

Hey David, Congratulations on your excellent purchase decision with a Fortuna. As I am way over the other side of the pond where I get parts for them would not be much use to you. I would recommend you to have a look on this Campbell Randall page. https://campbell-randall.com/shop/fav-fratelli-alberti?page=2 I have a FAV AV2 machine that the presser feet and many other parts can interchange with on the Fortuna. I tend to make up my own presser feet rollers etc but the 30mm roller FAV -1498C at the top of the page on this link would be a good start I think. I would get a new belt that runs the sharpening stone while I as it, as they wear out occasionally and it pays to have a spare ready when you need it. Lastly just a tip if you are wanting to do any very thin soft leather ...after sharpening get a strip of mellow veg and very very slowly run it through a skive. This cleans up any fine roughness and is a bit like stropping the blade. Have fun. Brian

I have got them both as well and word for word I agree. I do use the Adler 69 for more of the heaver work only because that work is less frequent and I can have 1 set up for the heaver settings. I do prefer the smoother Pfaff 335 and copy parts (feet and binder change overs etc) are easy and cheap to find on line.

Texon board ( there are other brands as well) as used in shoe making for the insoles is used quite commonly. It can be stitched but holds is shape fairly well. If you want it extra stiff use some 3 ply instead or as well glued on after stitching.

Maybe this is not relevant but I just had to save this picture I found awhile back and sometimes I just gotta go back and look at it. Thought I might just share it with you .

Thanks for the update and great to hear you are getting it sorted. - Brian

Very pretty Richard. Thanks for posting the pics they are Hugo Wertheim. Sorry couldn't resist

I believe what is meant by adjusting the blade tension is adjusting the blades how far down into the nylon roller. How are you able to change the blades if you don't back off the pressure first. The blades on a new nylon should not need to go in much more than 1 to 2mm or about a 1/16".

Probably the blades are bad but just in case. If you haven't thought to change the location where the blades are touching into the nylon roller there could be some broken blade embedded into the nylon from previous or some grit/stone off of the back of some leather that has become embedded. Sorry I just read you said the nylon roller was new.

By pictures of the products I meant the products @5150handbags makes or wants to be able to make. I think that any of these machines would likely be suitable for the light description offered so far but my advise is more from a maker of the said products rather than personal experience with those machines. As you are likely to be looking for assistance learning how to use the machine it would be worth considering buying from a sponsor/supplier of this site. Other than that please ignore my earlier advise as sometimes I throw in my 2c and though well intended may be worth less than 1c. I hope that you can get someone with more direct experience than me to comment further on your choices. I wish you good luck.

Agreed . Some pictures of the products would help to confirm.

@dikman You're probably right and I will get to it, but for now I have 3 Chinese customers flying in next month that I have to make 4 male cross body bags for and I have not even patterned them out yet. They have been good customers previously and have paid for the croc already so its just gotta happen. Along with a few other bags I have to get done this week and way tooooo many bloody belts to even think about as well. You shore you don't need a workin holiday? BTW I think I might have to disappear off LW for a bit. Best wishes to you and all. Brian

Ahaa , you mean the angle of the dangle and a bit of the Newton stuff. Most perplexing. Interest looks low so to the backburner for now she will go.