thanks all. well an answer to the large area lol ya got to be a contortionist lol n ambidextrious and be a trapeze artist lol. J/K lol I kind of roll the leather or fold it when i have to turn it n work on the area. not folded like crease folded just kind of rolled up n under my chin. Its hard to explain. n I start in the middle and work my way out. that is on the basketweave. hope ya kind of understand. Its a royal pain but it works.