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  1. The time is coming soon that I am either adding an electric machine to use in addition to my Tippmann Boss, or getting a larger machine to replace it. What I'm looking at is the CB3200 and using that for belts, knife sheaths, some of my holsters and using the Boss for my thicker holsters. Or possibly getting the CB4500 and selling the Boss. I have sewn 5 layers of 9/10oz with my Boss in the past. The only downside was I had to mark my stitch locations and lift the presser foot and move my work to get the stitch length I wanted. Will the 4500 handle that thickness without manually moving the work for 5 to 6 stitches per inch? Will the CB4500 sew thinner material like the 3200? I have used my boss to sew a few lead shot filled suede pouches to use for weights and it did just fine after I adjusted the tension lower. The 4500 package is $1000 more than the 3200 without any extras. I'm guessing I could figure another $300 to $400 for presser feet and edge guide if I choose the 3200? What would the Boss be worth being just over a year old if I decide to sell it? If I go with the 4500, I see no need to keep it, and I am pretty certain whatever I could get out of it would offset the price difference between the two machines I am interested in. Thank in advance.
  2. CB3200 "Click"

    I have a CB3200. When the needle is cycling around the top, and only at slower speeds, I get a distinct "click". I keep it oiled (I sometimes get oil on the leather) but it still clacks on slow speeds. Am I missing something or is this normal? It's done this since I've had it.
  3. Well, after getting some practice, including gluing up a proper thickness piece, I stitched a knife sheath. It went PRETTY well. I went REALLY slowly. I didn't use the edge guide, as I'm waiting on a part. I only messed up on the stitch line once, at the acute angle at the tip of the sheath. If I hadn't used a stitch groover it wouldn't show as much. I'm thinking I'll darken the visible line somehow. I'll be cutting a slot in the needle foot so I can see the line better. I imagine with practice I'll get a better at following the line. It appears that I'll have to do some more grinding/sanding on some parts, like the feed dog or edges of the plate. On the back you can see some sharp cuts from those parts. I didn't mind so much hand stitching the smaller, thinner projects, but keeping the back of the piece straight was always a challenge for me. Also, the thickness of holsters and welted sheaths was not as much fun as I'd like. This monster of a machine didn't break a sweat, though! The edges aren't finished yet. Just did some quick burnishing so far.
  4. New machine

    Anxiously waiting for my new Cowboy 3200 to be delivered.
  5. New CB 3200

    So after much reading here and watching tons of videos I made a decision on buying the CB3200. I gave Bob at Toledo Industrial a call made a short 2.5 hr drive up to him. He walked me around the machine showing me the oil points how to thread the needle, wind the bobbins. I also got the left and right feet with roller guide and the inline feet and a couple bobbins of thread. Got it home and set up quickly. Now time to do some practice before I figure out what the first pice will be.
  6. After months of reading hundreds of forum topics and opinion articles, I'm finally breaking down and just asking outright. I'm looking for the "perfect" machine to be able to handle the types of handbags I make. At the moment, I do most of my construction with rivets and a non-walking foot Juki (terrible, I know) to skirt around forking out so much money for a proper machine, but the time has come. About my bags: I work primarily with 3-4 and 5-6 oz chrome and veg tanned leather. My current bag designs are simple and primarily rivet based (photos below), but I'm expanding to a line of bucket bags and backpacks that my poor tired flatbed has simply refused to sew. I would have to make drastic adjustments to the pattern that will chop up my minimalist design. A few months ago, I sold my cylinder arm Juki LS-321 (needle fed) because, aside from the needle feed mechanism not liking my seam overlaps, for the life of me - I could not get the thing to stitch straight unless I stitched as slowly as possible and held the leather tight from both the front and back. I have 6 years of rather intensive sewing experience on a flatbed, and tried to work with the LS-321 beast for a year so I don't think it was a learning curve issue, but I might be wrong. Now, my question is this: Is it possible to stitch handbags with a flatbed, or is it best to get a cylinder arm and a good flatbed platform for it? Further, what make and model do you recommend that is between $1-2k (preferably on the lower end) and has a good resource base of attachments that make production easier? I know this question has been asked a thousand times, but all of the topics I've read have had some caveat or compared craigslist ads they had found.
  7. COBRA Class 4-P Premium Package....Excellent Like New Condition. Under 40 hours of Non-Commercial use. Always stored indoors. Our time is taken up by other responsibilities so we will not be using this in the foreseeable future. $2400. Must pick up (Cleveland, OH), cannot deliver. I am available if you want your shipper to come and crate/ship it. i have original box. All accessories shown, 6 roles of thread (207 & 277), work table still in box, never opened. From manufacturer: The COBRA Class 4 will sew from 6 oz. to 7/8″ leather for sewing skirting, all types of tack, bullet loops, chap leather and everything in between with ease. The COBRA Class 4 comes with many features including our heavy-duty multi-purpose presser feet. They are strong and compact, allowing you to sew in small areas easier than ever before. The COBRA Class 4 comes with a heavy-duty pedestal style stand with locking caster wheels, a variable speed digital DC servo motor, model SR2 heavy-duty ball-bearing speed reducer, thread stand, ten extra needles, four bobbins, tools, and oil. An Instructional DVD and parts manuals are also included. You will NOT need to modify the COBRA presser feet, like other companies require you to do. These presser feet have been approved by some of the most respected saddle makers, and holster makers in the business. The COBRA presser feet will not bend or break under normal sewing conditions. Premium Accessory Package Includes: Left Toe Presser Foot $75* Open Toe Center Foot $65* Double Toe Presser Foot $80* Right Toe Presser Foot $75* Work Platform $95* Leather Point Needles $10* Four Spools of Thread $10* Holster Plate $156* Stirrup Plate $156* Slotted Plate $85* Blanket Set (Inside & Outside Feet w/ Feed Dog) $150* Heavy Duty Roller Edge Guide $95* LDA-1 Magnetic LED Light $20* Oil and tool package Four bobbins Owner and parts manual
  8. Machinery Suppliers

    Where do you guys get your machinery? Things like splitter/skivers, clickers, presses etc.? I keep hearing about the Cowboy and Osborne brands (for example), and I can find their websites, but I can't seem to figure out who really sells the stuff. I'm familiar with the larger retailers like Tandy, Springfield, and Weaver and I've noticed that some of them carry a few of these items. Then I've heard about Solar and Toledo, but they don't seem to list their full ranges online. I'd really like to find a website where I can browse the full range and actually see prices. Does such a creature exist?
  9. Rifle Saddle Scabbard

    Hi, Can anyone tell me where I can get a pattern for a 1876 lever action, with a 28" barrel. I believe this is a 44-60 Bicentennial Limited Edition. Any advice would be welcome. This is my first post, so many thanks. Steve
  10. For sale: NIB Keestar 16.5" complete leather sewing machine - premium package. (Identical to Cowboy, and made in same factory) 2500.00 plus shipping. These are brand new extremely heavy duty commercial leather sewing machines with 16.5" throats and 1 1/16 presser foot height. They will sew up to 1" of leather with ease. They are absolutely identical in every detail to the Cowboy CB4500 because they are made by the same company. Cowboy buys from Keestar and simply has them put the Cowboy name on their machines. If you want detailed info, simply look at the specs of the Cowboy CB4500. This is the same exact machine. You will get exactly what is in the pictures but the machine will be brand new in the box. Some assembly is required. These machines were upgraded with the best electronic servo motors and ball bearing speed reducers available. They will sew 1" of leather at unbelievable slow speeds. All fully adjustable with the electronic controller. The servo motor on this machine is of better quality than what Cowboy puts on their machine. We also include many accessories. Deluxe stand with 1 1/2" thick solid wood top. Material edge guide for sewing straight pieces like belts. Needle plate for holster. Needle plate flat (on machine) Standard presser foot. (on machine) Feed dog - flat. Feed dog- grooved with teeth. (on machine) Center presser foot - Narrow. Presser foot - Left side. Presser foot - Right side Speed reducer with ball bearings. Tool package to service machine. Wax/lube pot on top of machine. (Cowboy does not include this.) 4 bobbins. Bobbin winder built into machine. Magnetic LED work light. oil bottle. (empty) 2 pedal system. 1 for operating the machine, 1 for lifting the presser foot. We have 3 complete machines available, and they won't last long at this price. Jim 612-730-6880 Text me for pictures. See pics of the presser foot assortment we include with the machine. All are Stainless steel. This entire package is over 3100.00 from Cowboy and does not include the shipping. Pick up on Hudson Wi. or I can also ship these if need be for a small fee. Note: The pics show casters. These machines come with adjustable feet, and I upgraded to casters as I needed it to be portable. If you want casters, you will need to buy them with a 12MM thread.
  11. For sale cowboy cb-3500

    I have a like new cowboy cb-3500 it's only been used a handful of times I bought it from Bob at Toledo early this year. I've found that this is more machine than I need and prefer to hand stitch. It comes with everything you see. 1#white 277 1#brown 277 1# ea white brown black 207 1# ea white brown black 138 8oz red 207 8oz red 138 2 packs schmetz sz 23 needles And a half a pack of sz 25 Can meet within 50 miles of 41046 8593608990 Can send pics upon request 2000$ obo
  12. Brand New Cowboy 227R For Sale

    I bought this machine in December of 2014 and it sat in the box in my house until June of 2017 when I finally set it up. It works fabulously, but is not the right machine for my needs. It probably doesn't even have 100 stitches on it. It is mounted on a U-shaped table and comes complete with everything listed in the following link (See the link for specs as well). I purchased it from Toledo Industrial Sewing. Paid $1,695.00 + S/H for the machine Priced at $1,395.00 + S/H Located in Salinas, CA Cheri Heffren 831-679-2769 Home, 831-594-5897 Cell
  13. Cowboy 227r

    I'm selling my CB227r that I purchased new in March 2017, along with 4 large spools of bonded nylon thread and two packs of needles. The machine is fantastic, I just didn't end up needing it as much as I thought I would. I would rather send it to someone now to be used and buy one later if I need it again rather than let it sit. The machine was purchased for 1700 and thread was $18/spool, shoot me your best offer. I live in South Carolina if you are interested in checking it out or picking it up
  14. Morning y'all, don't post often, but I guess I should... I have a client that needs a horn shortened on his saddle. Has anyone done this before? How would I even start with this (it is a finished saddle...). I think that I need to strip the horn down, cut it, reinforce it with a bolt through the horn and gullet, then recover with leather ( of course!!) This seems to me to be the strongest way to get this done. The gentleman is a team roper, so the horn will be put through some good hard use... Does this sound right? Any tips?? Respectfully Frank B.
  15. Taxidermy Rugging

    I've been scouring this site for information on industrial sewing machines. I'm looking for a machine to do rugging for taxidermy. It needs to go through 2-6 layers of 11-18oz felt and the hide (bear, coyote, etc). I have previously used industrial sewing machines for garments, so these heavy duty machines are new to me. From what I've read on this site I'd like to try find a Consew 206RB-5 (or any subclass with reverse) or a Cowboy machine, maybe the 3200. I'm open to other machines that have a reverse and large capacitity bobbin. Before I make the plunge can anyone give me some feed back on what walking foot machine would be good for me or should I be looking for something with a rolling foot? Should I find something to sew up to 1/2" thickness or is that overkill?
  16. I am a new business, Hank & Henrietta that makes handbags. I am looking to add a quality leather sewing machine to help me grow my business. I have experience with a "regular" sewing machine, but have never used a leather or industrial machine. I saw a machine listed on craigslist as new/ unused, but I have never heard of the brand. It is a Zhejiang Sibyer Model SB-810. Here is the link: I was wanting some advice as what is your opinion on this machine? I also would like recommendations on which machine to look for preferably under $2k. I have researched quite a bit and believe I am wanting a cylinder arm machine and have looked at the following, but am open to suggestions for others. - Tech Sew 2750 - Cowboy CB341 Juki 341 I currently sew hair on hide, cowhide and softer leathers, but would want to use the machine for 2 oz. to maybe 6 or 7 oz veg tan. I make handbags and looking to start making wallets and other accessories. When recommending a machine I am looking for one with a big learning curve that is some what easy to use. I truly appreciate your advice and help. Melissa
  17. Cowboy Leather Splitter - Hand Crank 6"

    I have a fairly new hand crank, 6" blade Cowboy Leather Splitter. This leather splitter is in fantastic working and physical condition. The blade is very sharp, it is oiled up and ready to split. It was an impulse buy on my part. I haven't used it much as I thought I would, since I bought it. Feel free to send me a message if you have any questions about it. I'm willing to sell it for $1100 (not including shipping) I paid $1395 +tax for it. If you live in the Dallas, Texas area you are more than welcome to come check it out or pick it up. I will be willing to ship, at the buyers expense. It's pretty heavy, and I'm not to sure how much shipping would cost, but if you are interested I could find out.
  18. Cowboy Manuals & Videos

    Hi guys. If you're looking for the Cowboy User Guides and Assembly Guides, I make them freely available here: There are also several videos covering random things. I try to cover as much information as I can but haven't had time to make videos for every issue. If you have video requests (be polite!) I'll see if I can get to it.
  19. Cowboy Cb4500 - Stitch Length Adjustment

    I've been using the CB4500 for about a week but am having trouble with the stitch length adjustment. Unfortunately, this model doesn't come with a user manual and what I need hasn't been found in YouTube videos. What can I do? Any help would be appreciated.
  20. Hi everyone, new to the forums here but have been doing leather work for 3-4 years now. Mainly heavy/thick items like sheaths, holsters and other odds and ends. Over the past year I've had much interest in some leather cases I make and I honestly can't keep up with the demand while hand stitching and hand cutting everything. I'm planning to get some clicker dies made and using my shop press to help speed up cutting. For sewing, I'm going through 4 layers of 7/8 OZ so just about 1/2 inch. Hand sewing is very beautiful and strong but It simply takes me too long, maybe an hour per piece now that I've gotten pretty good at it and use my drill press to pilot the holes. Questions for you guys: What sewing machine would you recommend that gives a good looking stitch? I've been having the typical tippmann boss vs power machine debate myself. Leaning towards a powered machine. In your experience does something like a Cowboy 3200 or similar machines give a nice clean stitch? How does it compare to hand sewing? How does the Tippmann Boss compare to these in terms of stitch quality? I'm planning to call the shop in Toledo, OH to get their ideas and see what used machines are in stock. Since I live close by I may road trip there one day soon. Thanks everyone! Any tips would be much appreciated! Jon
  21. Hi all! Im looking for a cylinder bed sewing machine in good or new condition. Even better if it has a flat bed attachment. Need it for light to medium work so I was thinking Techsew 2700 or 2800 but I'm open to other models as well. I'll be working mostly with lambskin but also some light to medium veg cowhide as well. I live near Philadelphia Thanks in advance!!!
  22. Info on Making a Hat

    Howdy - ive used the 'search' on this site trying to find info on making a leather hat - I've tried several search phrases including just the word "Hat" and keep coming up with zero search results... With the tens of thousands of posts on this site I'm coming up with nothing... I have to believe I'm doing something wrong. anyone have any links, or ideas, on hat-making? I'm mostly looking for ideas/tutorials on making a Bushman's hat, Cowboy hat, Fedora, etc... thanks in in advance for any help - Russ
  23. Cowboy Skull Stamp

    Here's a stamp I made today. I found the image online and thought it would make a cool leather stamp. Took about an hour to make start to finish and it's about 1 1/2" square. Chris
  24. Needles on Cowboy CB4500

    I recently bought a Cowboy Cb4500 and could not be happier with it. I got 277 thread with the machine and two sizes of needles 180/24 and 200/25, in 7x4 Diameter, the 180/24 for if I use the 277 on lighter leathers, but I was looking at perhaps getting some 138 thread thread for some lighter leather projects. On Cobra's website I seen they had some 135x8 that can go up to size 22 needle for use with 138 thread. I was curious what the difference in 7x4 and 135x8 needles in leatherpoints are? I figured I would just order 7x4 in size 23 for 138 thread, but was curious what the difference in the two types of needles are?
  25. Hi there. This is my first post. I have read a lot here on leather sewing machines here and I wish to ask about my situation specifically. I was aiming to get one for my birthday in July but 6 months off work with cancer treatment (going well nearly finished I hope) has delayed that idea for quite a while now, but, I thought I would pick your brains anyway and get my head around what I am looking at. I DONT want any fighting between cowboy/cobra/silrite/consew/juki supporters as I have a lot of respect for the sellers of all those machines who have given lots of info and free time to help others. I have hand sewn some light bags and put my poor little Janome Mystyle 18W through hell with a little clutch bag. (I like what Arthur Porter does in Dallas)I cannot hand sew for long as I have a damaged nerve in my arm from dialysis (yeah if I was a sewing machine i would be on the scrap heap by now!). I would also like to incorporate leather in my teddy bear making. I want to use at several layers of least 5-7 oz tooling Veg- tan leather in some products as well as other lighter leather at this point. (I would include pics of my stuff but the pc is not cooperating) I only have a small area (90cmL x 60cm W) so large machines are out of the question. I have looked online at (in no particular order) at the Sairite zig zag/consew CP2064/Cowboy (3200/3500/4500)/Cobra 3/4s/4P machines and have heard of Juki 441 machines as well. Can I also get the size of the tables/pedestals as they will have to be factored in to my little niche. I am in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne. I have heard of Cowboy and Cobra being in Queensland but not down south (must be too cold down here for them :^} ) So if there is any distributors down this way to deliver and help set it up, it would be really good. There are other places in Melbourne but they only seem to carry big machines. Ideally about $800 - $1000 for the smaller Consew/sailrite machines would be good but I don't know if they will suite. I would use that as a springboard to go from there to a larger one like the Cowboy/cobra or save up to get the larger machine cowboy/cobra at a later date. Oh and whoever gets my sale (eventually) I am dyslexic so I will ask a HEAP of questions. For that reason I would prefer new, although I saw a really cute Juki LU-562 with Dayton gear motor on a forum here earlier and thought it looked fantastic!!!!! Thanks in advance. Boofy